The end of Chaos. Legion *spoilers*

[Sviar]

I going to be discussing a third possibility not mentioned in the HH novel Legion. I you haven't read it and plan to, stop reading now.

 

As we all know(those that read the book) the Cabal told Alpharius and Omegon that if Horus won the battle for Terra, the Chaos would cease to exist. But Horus would be so ashamed that he would after 2-3 generations have annihilated the human race.

 

But if he failed the Chaos would also annihilate the human race but it would take longer, I think Dan Abnett wrote 20000 years.

 

So either way the human race lives on borrowed time right. No I don't think so and here is why:

Horus is dead, so I think if Abaddon conquered the Golden throne then Chaos would die, but I don't think that Abadonn has any guilt and shame issues towards the Emperor. So the only way to save the human race is if the Chaos legions and warbands conqured Terra.

 

In my mind that makes the Chaos legions and warbands freedom fighters, the human race only hope. But of course they don't know that only the Alpha Legion does.

 

Do you agree or do you think I fogott something or is there another way? Since I haven't read all HH novels I may be missing some vital information.

 

 

[incinerator950]

In my mind it's a convoluted plot to add a false sense of depth that GW didn't flesh out.

[Wade Garrett]

In my mind, Tzeencht played the Cabal like a fiddle to make sure they and the Alpha Legion would do exactly what was necessary to get the future the Chaos Gods wanted.

 

Thanks for nothing, xenos scum.

[Warsmith Aznable]

Thanks for nothing, xenos scum.

Pretty much what I've always thought. Why trust psyker xenos scum to have the truth or do what's right? Everyone is Tzeentch, no one is loyal.

[Iron Skull Mask]

In my mind, Tzeencht played the Cabal like a fiddle to make sure they and the Alpha Legion would do exactly what was necessary to get the future the Chaos Gods wanted.

 

Thanks for nothing, xenos scum.

 

Yupp that's my reading as well. After all the cabal relies on visions of the future when making plans, and we all know whose terrain that is.

[Prot]

In my mind false timelines based on 'reading' the future is always a fickle thing (and BL use that to their storytelling advantage) but it carries no weight with me.  I say this just because it is an overused storytelling mechanism.... especially with Chaos. Everything is subject to change... even the future. :)

[Leif Bearclaw]

In my mind, Tzeencht played the Cabal like a fiddle to make sure they and the Alpha Legion would do exactly what was necessary to get the future the Chaos Gods wanted.

 

Thanks for nothing, xenos scum.

I had a similar, but less forgiving impression of the events of Legion. Specifically, the Cabal are 'evil' and were purposely misleading Alpharius/Omegon. The entire 'join Horus to serve your Father's ultimate goal' thing was grade a BS that the twins swallowed wholesale, and in doing so damned their Legion and themselves (although by the sound of it, later stories imply one of the twins is having doubts about the narrative he's been fed).

[Tenebris]

Well my observation is the following:

 

- The Alpha Legion were until "Legion" the "wild card" of the astartes legion, their allegiance was unknown, their goals neither

 

- Cabal... well it is interesting to know of a xeno council of sorts and I see them approach the most "neutral" and "not biased" of the legions, I call it playing safe, especially since the AL was always a fringe element who had quite "modernist" views compared to the rest of the Imperium

 

- Tzeentch may have had a hand in the visions which led the Alpha Legion to Chaos (actually it impressed me as a Malice thing truth be told) but it also stands that the Alpha Legion had their own view of the Imperium and were quite sure that it was not going to last as an institution, call it pragmatic,

 

IMO the Alpha Legion was always one of the Legions of Change it is their nature and they are very well accustomed to play to their strengths and see for themselves first. In their shoes siding with the Warmaster simply allowed them to have carte blanche with everything and everyone. 

[incinerator950]

One of the reasons I stopped liking the characterization of the Legions is how they were manipulated into following Chaos rather than just slowly growing into it.

[daveNYC]

No manipulation by Big-T is needed.  The vision of the cabal is accurate, they show it to A/O, and all you need to have happen is for one of the twins to grow a bit of a conscience about working to kill their father and exterminate humanity.  Human emotion makes for a much better plot driver than 'just as planned'.

[Warsmith Aznable]

No manipulation by Big-T is needed.  The vision of the cabal is accurate, they show it to A/O, and all you need to have happen is for one of the twins to grow a bit of a conscience about working to kill their father and exterminate humanity.  Human emotion makes for a much better plot driver than 'just as planned'.

 

Normally I would agree with you, but the whole idea of the Cabal seems a little stupid to begin with to me. Revealing Alpharius and Omegon as two different people and then having them vehemently disagree about the Heresy without anybody else knowing there's really two of them would have been enough (or even more interesting) than "magic aliens offer you a Terrible Choice."

[daveNYC]

Vehemently disagree?  Absolutely not.  They're both working towards the destruction of Chaos, it's just that one of them thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.

 

Or maybe he thinks that the goal is impossible and is trying to throw things off the rails so that at least humanity has a chance.

 

Or maybe he's been corrupted and is now aiming for the dark future the cabal showed.

 

Or maybe he hasn't been corrupted and is aiming for the dark future because he thinks he can put an even longer term plan in motion to pull off a victory over Chaos.

 

To quote Mr. Torgue, "MORAL AMBIGUITY!!!"

[Blackout2014]

Vehemently disagree?  Absolutely not.  They're both working towards the destruction of Chaos, it's just that one of them thinks he can have his cake and eat it too.

 

Or maybe he thinks that the goal is impossible and is trying to throw things off the rails so that at least humanity has a chance.

 

Or maybe he's been corrupted and is now aiming for the dark future the cabal showed.

 

Or maybe he hasn't been corrupted and is aiming for the dark future because he thinks he can put an even longer term plan in motion to pull off a victory over Chaos.

 

To quote Mr. Torgue, "MORAL AMBIGUITY!!!"

 

That's part of the problem with current Alpha Leigion. 

 

It seems at the moment that the HH pushes the idea that one of the primarchs wants Horus to win to fulfill the Cabal's prophecy. The other pushes for the emperor to win, perhaps because they don't believe in the cabal (or not).

 

Or it could be the notion of working from both ends to create a third possibility. At this point though: 

 

 

Serpent Beneath seems to imply that Alpharius is following the Cabals lead and Omegon is working against him.

 

Scars seems to push this even further as one fleet of Alpha Legion attacks the Space Wolves while another Alpha Legion fleet attacks the White Scars.

 

Its a wee bit convoluted at the moment.