Tiberius Cato Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 Did the non seccessionist members of the traitor legions get absorbed into the loyalist legions? Or did they live on as renegades, disowned by their brethren and hunted by the Imperium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 It looks like they're finding their various niches in the Heresy. Dantioch of the Iron Warriors is helping out the Ultramarines defend Macragge. Mostly, they seem to be being absorbed into the Knights Errant group or thrown into prisons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 most of them are in kind of rough spot. To dangerous let free (in case they are faking) and hard to secure in prisons but also incredibly handy if they actually are loyal and can prove it.  Personally I think it likely that many would fight the traitors without contacting higher imperial authorities or be misleading about who exactly they are. In many ways such groups would benefit from Guilliman splitting the legions, most people wouldn't notice an extra chapter showing up somewhere in the chaos of the scouring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Cato Posted November 15, 2014 Author Share Posted November 15, 2014 Did many revert to their pre-primarch ways? Like World Eaters to War Hounds or Night Lords to Crimson Sons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 There's some evidence that some Chapters in the 40k setting are built from the remnants of Traitor Legions that stayed loyal. Pretty much any Chapter described as being really secretive about their geneseed or Chapters that have no idea where it came from are kind of suspect. The Blood Ravens are maybe the most obvious and hinted at example, as they're most likely loyalist Thousand Sons that missed the whole Prospero thing. Â The Red Scorpions, Minotaurs, and Silver Skulls are also on the list. All 3 have been speculated about a lot, and FW/BL have left a lot of hints in the fluff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 And with the amount of Ultramarines successors it would be pretty easy to pass yourself off as one of them during the scouring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiberius Cato Posted November 15, 2014 Author Share Posted November 15, 2014 This is giving me ideas for an alternate heresy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Belial Posted November 15, 2014 Share Posted November 15, 2014 The Horus Heresy novels have the large bulk of them killed on Istavaan with a few escaping like on the Eisenhorn. They may still exist as renegades serving no higher master but not succumbing to the lures of the Chaos gods. Â Something that has been brought up is that there are subtle variations in all of the gene-seed in all marines that an organ from one legion is incompatible in another legion unless your name is Fabius Bile. So a rogue marine in another legion would be found out when he doesn't respond to the medications specific to that legion. (Side Note: Notice that the Imperial Fists have missing organs but they have never received replacements from another legion like the Ultramarines? The background is that in the 21st Dark Founding, they experimented with mixed genes seed with horrific consequences - the Black Dragons are the lucky ones) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karthak Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 And with the amount of Ultramarines successors it would be pretty easy to pass yourself off as one of them during the scouring. That seems reasonable. If there were larger forces of, say, loyalist Iron Warriors left after the Heresy, like Kyr Vhalen's Great Battalion, Guilliman could have fudged the paperwork so that the records depicted them as an Ultramarines successor when he split up his legion. The Horus Heresy novels have the large bulk of them killed on Istavaan with a few escaping like on the Eisenhorn. They may still exist as renegades serving no higher master but not succumbing to the lures of the Chaos gods. That's only the Sons of Horus, World Eaters, Emperor's Children, and Death Guard. Though honestly there could be large contingents of all traitor legions out there completely unaware of the Heresy. Again, like Kyr Vhalen's Great Battalion. They hadn't had contact with the wider Imperium for almost half a century. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KBA Posted November 16, 2014 Share Posted November 16, 2014 I could easily see a vast majority of these types being destroyed on contact -- no questions asked, so you might find 'wait-it-out' approaches, or as likely, bee-lining missions of vengeance against their dishonored once-brothers of their former legions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 We also have guys like the Death Guard black shield named in HH book 1, and the "mystery legionaire" shown at the FW weekenders. Possibly the beginning of the Deathwatch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 We also have guys like the Death Guard black shield named in HH book 1, and the "mystery legionaire" shown at the FW weekenders. Possibly the beginning of the Deathwatch? This guy? According to Battle Bunnies he's meant to be in HH Book 4: Conquest, so hopefully we'll have some answers then. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Yep, that's the dude. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I'm guessing Crysos Morturg is the origin of the Black Shield tradition? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_son_of_Dorn Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 so sad that loyalists will fall cuz they wear the wrong colours :'( Â But then again you never hear of a major loyalist legion having even one traitor, just BS genetic deffects which could be confused with chaosy stufff >_> Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Sevetar's pet Raven Whole battlegroups of White Scars who abandoned their Legion to fight with Horus. Luther's Angels. Rouge Iron hands  Just for starts. It's not just black and white, there are vast shades of grey. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Sevetar's pet Raven Whole battlegroups of White Scars who abandoned their Legion to fight with Horus. Luther's Angels. Rouge Iron hands  Just for starts. It's not just black and white, there are vast shades of grey. Luther's Angels? Who are they? I have no idea what you're talking about Inquisitor.  Here, if you come to waiting room 42 we can answer all your misgivings.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 What's an In-Quis-e-tor? Some informal inter-Legion rank? Â Â ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Â Rouge Iron hands Who the what the how? Â Â This in Book 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Riven, by John French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toomanyprojects Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Rouge Iron hands? I have literally no idea who they are. Can someone fill me in lol  Edit: never mind. Answered while I was writing Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Riven, by John French. Is it an ebook? (Asking because BL site is not loading for me) Â Â Also, John French? Buying the :cuss out of that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hyaenidae Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Yep, it is. And it is outstanding. You get to see exactly how far the X legion is willing to go in the name of vengeance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
No Foes Remain Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 Yep, it is. And it is outstanding. You get to see exactly how far the X legion is willing to go in the name of vengeance. Awsome, thanks the artist moderator formally known as Heathens. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ElectricPaladin Posted November 17, 2014 Share Posted November 17, 2014 I suspect that the following things happen to them, in descending order of likelihood/numbers: Died at Istvaan Died in a later battle (because Astartes culture is such that they are likely to throw themselves into impossible battle as "redemption") Executed (sometimes after lengthy imprisonment) Quietly absorbed into another legion/chapter. In many cases, because their geneseed is not compatible with their "adopted" chapter's rituals, they would not have descendants, because the chapter apothecaries would know better than to even try (or they try and the implantation fails). Enough survive to form a small chapter who spend the chaotic time of the Scouring hiding and consolidating their resources before re-emerging thereafter and claiming to have been there all along. End up joining the Grey Knights Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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