Death storm droppod with whirlwind launcher

[markham82]

Hello brothers

 

I've been considering the death storm droppod lately. I'm just a little confused as to the actual workings of the whirlwind launcher. The turn it comes in it automatically targets all units within 12". Does that mean I can only place the blast centre inside 12" or is the 12" just for targeting purposes and you use the weapon profile of 48" for placement.

 

Also if you get two or three attacks do you just flip the blast for scatter or do you also roll 2d6 for all attacks after the first. I'm thinking it just gets flipped because its barrage.

[Acebaur]

I'm not really sure where the confusion comes from on this. It describes it quite clearly in it's entry. You can only target the units within 12" of the pod on the first turn.

 

I would say that you flip because of barrage but I'd have to check the BRB to be sure

 

Edit: Yes they flip as per the Multiple Barrages section in the BRB. 

[Kristoff]

Also if you get two or three attacks do you just flip the blast for scatter or do you also roll 2d6 for all attacks after the first. I'm thinking it just gets flipped because its barrage.

Flipping is only for Indirect Fire with multiple Barrage weapons, otherwise they operate like any other multiple BLAST weapons.

[markham82]

My bad for not being more clear in my confusion (!?). If a unit is within 12" it gets targeted, now lets say that unit is both within 12" and outside of 12" ( 10 man squad 5 models are inside 12" and 5 are further than 12"). The blast can obviously scatter further than 12". I'm just wondering about the initial placement of the template because the book doesn't actually say you have to place the blast within 12" only that units within12" gets targeted. The death storm then uses the profile of the equipped weapon to resolve the D3 attacks which is 48".

 

Does that then mean that if the death storm is equipped with assault cannon you can only wound models that are inside 12" on the round it enters play?

 

Or is this advanced rule (automated fire) > normal rule (weapon profile)

[Acebaur]

Oh I see. I would say that the 12" is just for which units get targeted and the weapon works as normal for firing on those units

[markham82]

That's what I'm thinking, its just that I think few people use it. A lot of times droppod heavy lists have trouble dealing with horde lists and the death storm can help mitigate the problem. Just imagine getting 3 attacks against a guard blob = carnage.

[markham82]

Where does it say that you only flip the blast template for scatter when shooting indirectly with multiple barrages?

[Kristoff]

Barrage rules state at the begining that firing directly is treated as a regular Blast weapon except for indirectly and for cover.

 

It does get a little confusing, I guess, because the multiple Barrage is not listed as an exception to the Blast rules, but a separate set of rules.

[Cactus]

However the Multiple Barrage rule itself is explicit: "If a unit fires more than one shot with the Barrage special rule, they fire together..."

 

Whether or not you choose to fire indirectly the Multiple Barrage procedure still applies.

[Kristoff]

However the Multiple Barrage rule itself is explicit: "If a unit fires more than one shot with the Barrage special rule, they fire together..."

 

Whether or not you choose to fire indirectly the Multiple Barrage procedure still applies.

And if firing directly, they aren't using the Barrage rule, but the Blast rules...

[markham82]

I've been reading and rereading the blast and barrage rules. I get why the rules are separate (because all barrage weapons have blast, but not all blast have barrage). I think the part that confuses me is the first point of the explanation of how multiple barrages works ".... then roll for scatter as described earlier."

 

Now which "described earlier" are the book referring to, the blast section explanation of scatter (which is separate from barrage) or the explanation of scatter under barrage exceptions to the normal blast rules.

 

It seems to me that the real problem is that there's no explanation of how scatter works if firing multiple barrages directly.

 

I know advanced rules are found in codexes (this looks wrong), but is it possible to have advanced rules in the rule book (clearly I sometimes have issues distinguishing basic from advanced)? If it is possible I say barrage is an advanced rule of blast and you flip the blast if firing directly and indirectly (due to bad penmanship in the book). If not and barrage is just an expansion of blast then we scatter each shot as described in the blast section.