army appearance query

[Gumb012]

I've always loved 40k and painted up a few space marines when I was younger, but years later I'm now looking to get into the hobby properly. I've given it a lot of thought and decided I must go with the Blood Angels, but specifically looking at their Flesh Tearer successors due to their cool colour scheme and after reading about the chapter I just really like them.

 

I only have one final concern before I buy my first models. I love the new BA kits, but I'm just unsure if specific parts are meant only for actual Blood Angels chapter marines, and wouldn't make sense to have on Flesh Tearers. Im specifically talking about parts like the little emblem on the sergeant's left leg, and on the left shoulder pad of the flamer next to him (the drop with the wings, picture included below). Im only unsure because bits like that seem to so closely resemble the BA chapter symbol that perhaps theyre only meant for them, since FT have their own rather different symbol. I really like the idea of my FT just basically being extremely ruthless blood angels, and so Id like them to look more like BA than just different  coloured regular space marines, if that makes sense, and if going FT would mean missing out on a lot of the iconography thats come with these new kits then id consider abandoning them altogether and just going with regular BA, because I really do like them. shoulder pads themselves arent a problem as id buy the FT shoulder pads available anyway, its more just all the bits you stick on them

 

Hopefully that all made sense, any opinions appreciated :)

 

http://www.games-workshop.com/resources/catalog/product/600x620/99120101122_BATacticalSquad01.jpg

[ThatOneMarshal]

Hmm well you could buy the regular tactical squad box and then buy the transfer sheet from forgeworld. I know that there used to be shoulder pads on games workshops site but I think it was taken down. For the sergeant you could trim the parts off. And you could mix and match with regular tactical squad in places were it's to much blood angels.

[bigted]

There are quite a lot of BA specific bits in the box, half the shoulder pads have the BA chapter symbol molded on. This can be easily fixed by mixing and matching with a regular tac squad or just buying 10 plain shoulder pads off online retailers. There are a few legs that have blood drops with wings molded on, this can easily be filed off although they aren't really that obvious and I doubt anyone would really notice. If you're really pedantic about that sort of thing, you can get a couple of plain legs off the internet. Don't let the odd blood drop with wings put you off the kit though, it's an amazing kit that's great for any BA player, successor or no.

[marine7312000]

I imagine you could shave off all but the blood drop on the legs that the Sergeant has.

[Kol Saresk]

The blood drops woul be fine. With the wings, it depends. I personally wouldn't use a winged blood drop for the Flesh tearers, but a plain wing or a winged icon of Sanguinius? That I might go for.

[Landrick]

if you look at the pictures in Exterminatus, they mix in the new tac bits for FT as they please. Ultimately, its up to you! How muhc of their founding chapter do you want them to show?

[Gumb012]

Thanks for the replies ! Mix matching between regular tacs and BA (plus getting the specialised FT shoulder pads) set is probably my best bet as recommended, and actually looking at the Gabriel Seth model on the GW site i notice he has quite a bit of winged decoration, including drop and wing, so I suppose it'll mostly be fine, I might just dull it down slightly but still keep a lot of the regal feel the extra decoration provides. Look forward to posting as a FT player soon enough :)

[bigted]

Good that you have reached a decision brother, looking forward to seeing your Flesh Tearers

[ixzion]

Just bear in mind that if you get the flesh tearers shoulder pads that they are a bit smaller than regular ones. It isn't overly noticeable however so you should be fine. I used one pn my librarian and it looks good. For my other guys I use the flesh tearers transfers

[sockwithaticket]

I have a DIY chapter who can make use of a lot of BA iconography, but not the chalices that seem to pop up in difficult to remove places. The solution(s) is (are) one of the following:
- cut, scrape, file, dremel off the details you don't want where possible.
- cover it up
- replace with other parts
- find a way to customise the parts so that they blend in with what you want  to do (usually through paint scheme, but, if you're good enough, sculpting is a great route to take).

Specifically for Flesh Tearers I would say that as far as iconography goes, blood drops and chalices are fine, but I would minimise the wings on stuff. As such, most if not all of the BA specific shoulder pads in the BA tactical box are deeply unsuitable (disclaimer- in general I think they're too busy and thoroughly dislike the aesthetic of the ones that have wings coming out of their rims). You're probably better off with some of the Death Company and Sanguinary Guard pads.

At the end of the day it's for you to make your own judgement call about what does and doesn't work with your image of the Flesh Tearers.

Bitzbox have just uploaded the new Tactical kit onto their site and you can see each individual component, that might help you decide whether it's worth you buying it:
http://www.bitzbox.co.uk/index.php/blood-angels-tactical-squad-c-21_283_290_507

You can also make your force look more Flesh Tearer-y using Forgeworlds transfers and brass etch:
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/SPACE_MARINE_TRANSFER_SHEETS/BLOOD-ANGELS-TRANSFER-SHEET.html
http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Etched_Brass/ETCHED-BRASS-FLESH-TEARERS-SYMBOLS.html

[bushman101]

You could always paint the chapter symbol around or on certain parts of the BA specific parts.

As I recall, all BA successors are proud of their lineage and often bear the symbols of their parent legion

[sockwithaticket]

That might be true for some, but  it's not the case with all of them (new codex explicitly states Angels Vermillion refuse to have anything to do with their parent Chapter) and while under Seth the Flesh Tearer's have been re-establishing a more positive relationship with the Blood Angels it was and often still is fractious.

[Kol Saresk]

Yeah, Amit wasn't too happy about leaving the Blood Angels and they've carried that grudge for ten thousand years.

[Gumb012]

Just bear in mind that if you get the flesh tearers shoulder pads that they are a bit smaller than regular ones. It isn't overly noticeable however so you should be fine. I used one pn my librarian and it looks good. For my other guys I use the flesh tearers transfers

 

yeah I read this on another forum too and they also said that the metal shoulder pads with raised squad symbols like tactical arrow etc are the same size as the FT pads so I'll probably pick up those as well just to make it right, plus i like to use transfers as little as possible so im keen to get them anyway, thanks for the warning though :)

 

I have a DIY chapter who can make use of a lot of BA iconography, but not the chalices that seem to pop up in difficult to remove places. The solution(s) is (are) one of the following:

- cut, scrape, file, dremel off the details you don't want where possible.

- cover it up

- replace with other parts

- find a way to customise the parts so that they blend in with what you want  to do (usually through paint scheme, but, if you're good enough, sculpting is a great route to take).

 

Specifically for Flesh Tearers I would say that as far as iconography goes, blood drops and chalices are fine, but I would minimise the wings on stuff. As such, most if not all of the BA specific shoulder pads in the BA tactical box are deeply unsuitable (disclaimer- in general I think they're too busy and thoroughly dislike the aesthetic of the ones that have wings coming out of their rims). You're probably better off with some of the Death Company and Sanguinary Guard pads.

 

At the end of the day it's for you to make your own judgement call about what does and doesn't work with your image of the Flesh Tearers.

 

Bitzbox have just uploaded the new Tactical kit onto their site and you can see each individual component, that might help you decide whether it's worth you buying it:

http://www.bitzbox.co.uk/index.php/blood-angels-tactical-squad-c-21_283_290_507

You can also make your force look more Flesh Tearer-y using Forgeworlds transfers and brass etch:

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Space_Marines/SPACE_MARINE_TRANSFER_SHEETS/BLOOD-ANGELS-TRANSFER-SHEET.html

http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Warhammer-40000/Etched_Brass/ETCHED-BRASS-FLESH-TEARERS-SYMBOLS.html

 

I wasnt even aware of that site so that'll come in very handy, and looking at the tactical kit i think theres more than enough ill be able to use to make it worth the buy. Brass from forgeworld will probably be a future buy too, thanks :)

[JamesI]

That might be true for some, but it's not the case with all of them (new codex explicitly states Angels Vermillion refuse to have anything to do with their parent Chapter) and while under Seth the Flesh Tearer's have been re-establishing a more positive relationship with the Blood Angels it was and often still is fractious.

This has been Angels Vermilion fluff for a long time. Of course in the 5th and 7th codex the AV came to the aid of the Blood Angels on Hollonan.