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I have a question regarding badges.

 

When I make my chapter, I want it to be easy and accessible to do the logo and I've been looking at possible recoloured emblems used by existing chapters. (Totally not because my freehand is rubbish....) How is it that Space Marine chapters acquire their logo when it is similar to another chapter? Does the Imperium have a set of stock symbols or do chapters get really jealous of their emblem being used by a non-successor chapter? Example: Red Wolves using the Space Wolf logo.

 

Or is there no lore reason and it's just a community thing?


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There's no official word as far as I'm aware, either from GW or in-universe. There is scope for mismatch and error from the Imperial bureaucracy so there's plenty to play with if you want to recolour an existing emblem smile.png That said I think it'd be more common for a direct successor to use a recoloured symbol as a direct tie to their lineage, as it'd look odd to have well recognised Chapter symbols used elsewhere (e.g. SW logo on BA successor?).

 

So it's probably more of an unwritten community thing, but if your motivation is lack of freehand don't forget you can print transfers too so perhaps there's a digital solution for your DIY smile.png


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What relationships, if any, are typical between an Astartes Chapter and an Explorator Fleet? Specifically, would a chapter be founded to or assigned to accompany one? Or reasonably take it upon themselves to do so? Under what sorts of circumstances would such an alliance form, particularly relative to the current state of the galaxy.


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I don't think there is anything typical, Explorator Fleets are expeditions into the unknown and/or to perform some technoarchaeology so that's a pretty independent thing usually. I'd say that the latter is more likely to involve other Imperial forces as that could be close to home as it were (Space Marines aren't going to be mucking around in nowheresville much), maybe the Explorator digs up more than he bargained for and calls for help and the Marines answer? I can't really see how a chapter would be made for this purpose, perhaps if they were intended to guard the nearby area that'd be a close enough equivalent?

 

Unless you wrangled some reason for them to continue to work together it'd probably be a one off as most Marine action would be (save the day, then off to save another), but this could be added easily enough with a little creativity. Perhaps they find clues to what they're seeking and seeing the potential benefit to the Imperium (and/or more xenos/heretics to slay) the chapter agrees to help them see it through? smile.png

 

Or maybe like a generic story they uncover some great threat to the Imperium so they band together to see it destroyed tongue.png Once they've worked together in such a fashion they could make some bonds or oaths of assistance, where the chapter agrees to come to their aid or could even send a detachment with them?


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Maybe in the midst of a Founding, while determining final destinations, home world and initial duties, they earmark one Chapter to assist in the exploration, conquest and eventual defense of a promising section of non-Imperial space.

Due to the timing, it happens to be prudent to simply attach this Chapter to an Explorator Fleet heading into that same region, alongside whatever other Imperial forces that may be going along for the ride. Probably more than a few planetary settlement fleets, Guard regiments, etc.

The Chapter is not bound to any of these forces, it is merely the best for them to work together in the beginning. But, a lasting relationship can be forged here, particularly if that Explorator Fleet ends up establishing a nascent forge world.
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What relationships, if any, are typical between an Astartes Chapter and an Explorator Fleet? Specifically, would a chapter be founded to or assigned to accompany one? Or reasonably take it upon themselves to do so? Under what sorts of circumstances would such an alliance form, particularly relative to the current state of the galaxy.

 

I think I've got a more definitive answer for you Brother Messor. Graham McNeill's Forges of Mars Trilogy which is about the voyage of a AdMech explorator fleet addresses this issue. All manner of fighting force joined this expedition, Skitarii, Imperial Guard (infantry and armor), Collegia Titanica (Titan maniple), there might even have been a Knight House in there too (this part I'm a bit hazy on since it's been a few years since I read the series), and..... (I am sure about this partteehee.gif) Space Marines. Archmagos Lexell Kotov (expedition leader) petitions the Black Templars and they answer with a crusader force of one ten marine crusader squad.

 

So, the Space Marine chapters can be petitioned (the standard way of requesting aid from the Astartes) and they will come or not come as they see fit. In this case the Black Templars saw this expedition as a crusade, so they joined.

 

I was toying with an IA idea built around a chapter dedicated to among other duties protecting explorator fleets. I may get around to this one of these years unless someone beats me to it (hint, hintmsn-wink.gif).


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Ok here's a weird random question that's been bugging me for days. What is the top and bottom of a starship called. For instance you've got port, starboard etc. I'm sure I remember reading it in a novel somewhere but now it escapes me. Thanks.
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The entirety of the bottom of a ship (water) is called the hull, the front part being the bow, the back the stern. The top part of a water boat is called the deck. Not sure what terms would apply for a space faring boat though.
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A closer comparison would be a submarine here, but there aren't special names. When you don't have a top deck you'd focus on the decks themselves, so upper decks and lower decks for general area, all numbered for identification, with further breaking down on compartments fore to aft. These can be further broken down for exact location - and on something as large as a starship probably further still!

 

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I think the terms you are looking for are dorsal (for the spine/top) and ventral (for the bottom/underbelly).
I think there are references to dorsal gun batteries and ventral...things...scattered in various books—not necessarily 40k, but with things like airships and the like which also have a 3-d structure floating in 3 dimensions.

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Excellent Daimyo-Phaeron Lenoch that's exactly what I was thinking of thanks. Thanks to you too warrior fish that's also some handy information :-)
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Hello All.

 

I'm writing some fluff for a space battle but I'm not sure on speeds and such, so I'm after some help.

 

I think that starships exit from the warp at the edge of solar systems because of less gravity etc.

 

So how long would it take a starship to travel from the system edge to a planet  within the life zone?


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Greetings Machine God,

Ah, there's nothing I enjoy more than the flimflammery of sci fi physics... so let's get started.

Here we're talking about the Mandeville Point, which is the sweet spot where a starship enters or exits from warp space. This isn't necessarily on a system's edge. It's just a clear area between gravity fields in system so as not to mess with cogitator calculations, damage/destroy the ship, and far enough from populated areas so that they are safe from contamination by warp juice from the warp hole.

Now time to target is going to be based on a number of factors, including mass of the ship, momentum coming out of the warp rift, time to fussion engine start. Thrust power and ratio of the engines, how long it takes to accelerate to maximum speed (let's say 1/4 light speed), how long it maintains max speed, deceleration time to target, etc....... still with me on this.

Once you've got your engines started, you figure it will take maybe a day to accelerate to max speed ( you don't want to be going accelerating so fast as to blowout the gravity dampeners and turn the crew into people paste). So depending on distance to target, could be as short as a day or a week or more.

So those are some things to keep in mind. For an example, Dan Abnett has a good description in ' Know No Fear'. The ship doesn't bother with the deceleration part as it's there to misbehave. It will give you a good idea of the time involved though.

Hope that was of some help.

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Pardon for the double post.

As relates to Brother Machine God's query, there's a great Horus Heresy story that puts all the space physics together nicely and naturally in depicting a space battle.

'Veritas Ferrum' by David Annandale. It's only $2.99 from audible, and eleven minutes well spent.

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Hey, ho … after reading "Fire and Ice" by Peter Fehervari, starring the a single Space Marine named "Calavera" of a unknown Chapter I thought that it might be cool, if there were a chapter, that send all of his Astartes on Solo-Missions, always. So a bit like the Mentors but even smaller. Sure, that would bring some logical/organisational problems with it, but I wonder, if anyone has already fleshed out a similar idea somewhere …


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From what we've been shown of the Mentors in Spear of the Emperor, that's still the case


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Hey, ho … after reading "Fire and Ice" by Peter Fehervari, starring the a single Space Marine named "Calavera" of a unknown Chapter I thought that it might be cool, if there were a chapter, that send all of his Astartes on Solo-Missions, always. So a bit like the Mentors but even smaller. Sure, that would bring some logical/organisational problems with it, but I wonder, if anyone has already fleshed out a similar idea somewhere …

 

Greetings Brother Filius,

 

Sounds like an intriguing idea for a chapter. I haven't seen anything on a chapter dedicated solely to solo missions, but it certainly could be useful and not out of the realm of possibility in the vast and dangerous 40Kverse. Check out Brothers of the Snake for some more information. The Iron Snakes seem to specialize in small unit operations and solo missions (although certainly not exclusively). Part one of the book deals with a solo mission against the Dark Eldar and you might find it useful in your research.... and it's a great read tooyes.gif

 

On the logistics side, to support hundreds of individual mission your chapter will probably not find a conventional Astartes fleet advantageous to their operations. Strike cruisers might prove useful as logistics hubs rather than battle barges. Your primary transports however should be very small warp capable ships, something along the line of the Faustus interceptor, although one also capable of planetfall.

 

This chapter you are contemplating is a great ideathumbsup.gif I hope you pursue it.


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Dear Brother Lunkhead,

 

thanks for the support! I haven't spent too much time thinking about it yet, but your kind words are quite inviting.

 

By the way: I love the Brother of the Snake. I noticed them primarily because they had one Apothecary for each squad of ten men, and I dooo love Apothecaries, hehe. There's a newer Iron Snakes Short Story, where a single Marine, cleans a whole planet of an ork infestation, if I am not mistaken, hehe. That would fit niceliy. I should read that again.

 

Thanks again!


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