DarkAngeal Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 I just picked up the imperial knight codex, and there's just one bit that doesn't seem to be touched on too firmly-- the knightly rank table. Can you roll on the table for free, or do you have to pay for the chance to roll on it? Also, are there more rules for imperial knights anywhere? Datasheets etc? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 If your Primary Detachment is an Imperial Knight Detachment, you can choose to use the table. Either you don't use the Knightly Ranks table at all, or you must roll on it for every Knight that isn't your Warlord. A Knight Warlord from an Imperial Knight Detachment is a Seneschal regardless of whether you use the table or not. There are rules for Gerantius (a unique, tougher, and more expensive Freeblade Errant) in White Dwarf 24, and the Adamantine Lance Formation (bonuses for any combination of three Paladins or Errants) in Sanctus Reach: The Red Waaagh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted January 31, 2015 Share Posted January 31, 2015 The FAQ changed the way Imperial Knights use the ranks. They no longer have the 3-6 Knight formation, which makes the table unavailable for any play. However, a Knight can still be selected as a Warlord if you run at least 3 or there are no characters in an army with at least one Knight, at which one the Warlord Knight is automatically upgraded to a character and a Seneshel. SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 None of the changes in the FAQ affect the Knightly Ranks table, it's still valid. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 None of the changes in the FAQ affect the Knightly Ranks table, it's still valid.Except for the fact that the one formation type the table is used for no longer exists. Other than that, yes, the table has not changed (we just aren't directed to use it at the moment). SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted February 2, 2015 Share Posted February 2, 2015 It's not for a Formation, it's for an Imperial Knights Detachment, which still exists. The FAQ does not remove the Knightly Ranks table, it removes the 6th edition rules for make a Knight army that aren't needed in 7th. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted February 3, 2015 Share Posted February 3, 2015 It's not for a Formation, it's for an Imperial Knights Detachment, which still exists. The FAQ does not remove the Knightly Ranks table, it removes the 6th edition rules for make a Knight army that aren't needed in 7th.Let me repeat myself again, and hope you read the FAQ: the 3-6 Knight detachment was removed, and since the Table is for the 3-6 Knight detachment, the Table serves no function at the moment. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand, unless you've never bothered to actually read the FAQ or IK codex. SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Wow Jeffersonian, its not Lucien's fault you weren't clear in your statement. Formations and detachments are two different things, so he was right to question what you said. Take a chill pill and relax brother. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kristoff Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Formations and detachments are two different things... As much the difference between a fawn and a deer. All Formations are Detachments, but not all Detachments are Formations. I do believe the IK codex just has it listed as a Detachment, not as a Formation, though. It just acts a lot like a Formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jacinda Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 It's not for a Formation, it's for an Imperial Knights Detachment, which still exists. The FAQ does not remove the Knightly Ranks table, it removes the 6th edition rules for make a Knight army that aren't needed in 7th.Let me repeat myself again, and hope you read the FAQ: the 3-6 Knight detachment was removed, and since the Table is for the 3-6 Knight detachment, the Table serves no function at the moment. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand, unless you've never bothered to actually read the FAQ or IK codex. SJ Please don't get upset, but I'm not sure I understand, either. The Knightly Ranks rules and table do not seem to be tied to any detachment even before the FAQ. You just need one ot more Knights Errant or Knights Paladin and roll for each of them if you choose to roll any. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 Let me repeat myself again, and hope you read the FAQ: the 3-6 Knight detachment was removed, and since the Table is for the 3-6 Knight detachment, the Table serves no function at the moment. Not sure why that is so difficult to understand, unless you've never bothered to actually read the FAQ or IK codex. I've read both. And apparently one up on you, I understood them. This is how the section reads before the FAQ: Imperial Knight Armies The following rules can be used to field armies where the primary detachment is made up of Imperial Knights. They are especially useful for players who want to fight battles set on a Knight world but can be used in any game if the players wish to use them, as bands of Knights have fought alone against enemy armies since their inception. KNIGHT ARMIES You may take an army where the primary detachment is made up of three to six Imperial Knights. If you do so, then the detachment must include a Knight Warlord (see below). No other restrictions apply. Other detachments, such as additional primary detachments, allied detachments or fortifications, can be taken normally. In an Imperial Knight army, all Imperial Knights are scoring units. KNIGHTLY RANKS After undergoing the Ritual of Becoming, a Knight begins his career as a Knight Apparent. He retains this title until he has been blooded in his first full-scale battle, after which the supplemental title is dropped and he is accepted by his peers as a full-fledged Imperial Knight. These warriors form the bulk of each knightly house’s household detachments, and proudly represent them at war. Some veteran Knights who prove themselves worthy in the fires of battle, either through countless martial triumphs or by one truly heroic act, are awarded the rank of Seneschal, and are paragons of their house. Players that want to include Knights Apparent or Seneschals in their games must roll a dice for each of their Knights Errant or Knights Paladin (other than their Warlord) at the same time as they determine Warlord Traits, and refer to the Knightly Rank table below to see what rank that Knight has. This is how the section reads when you've removed everything the FAQ tells you should be ignored: Imperial Knight Armies KNIGHTLY RANKS After undergoing the Ritual of Becoming, a Knight begins his career as a Knight Apparent. He retains this title until he has been blooded in his first full-scale battle, after which the supplemental title is dropped and he is accepted by his peers as a full-fledged Imperial Knight. These warriors form the bulk of each knightly house’s household detachments, and proudly represent them at war. Some veteran Knights who prove themselves worthy in the fires of battle, either through countless martial triumphs or by one truly heroic act, are awarded the rank of Seneschal, and are paragons of their house. Players that want to include Knights Apparent or Seneschals in their games must roll a dice for each of their Knights Errant or Knights Paladin (other than their Warlord) at the same time as they determine Warlord Traits, and refer to the Knightly Rank table below to see what rank that Knight has. Imperial Knight army? Check. Player wants to include them? Check. Roll on the table. (And before anyone starts, what's an Imperial Knight army? "Rules for fielding Imperial Knights as a primary detachment can be found in the Imperial Knight Armies section." - text not touched by the FAQ.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted February 6, 2015 Share Posted February 6, 2015 That is one way of looking at it, I guess. SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAngeal Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 I have another question on this topic, really just checking to verify. If I have 1 imperial knight, and an allied detachment, would the knight be my warlord automatically? Since my warlord can't be in the allied detachment? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 Well if that's all your army contained, it'd be unbound as you need 3 Knights to make a Knight Detachment. So there would be no advantage to tying any units to an Allied detachment as they gain no command benefits from being a detachment in an unbound list. But, if you did... then yes, the Knight would have to be your Warlord, however he won't be either a Knight Warlord (as you don't have enough Knights to make a Knight Detachment) or be eligible for standard Warlord Traits (as a Knight isn't a Character). So I'm not sure it'd really be worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkAngeal Posted February 27, 2015 Author Share Posted February 27, 2015 Well if that's all your army contained, it'd be unbound as you need 3 Knights to make a Knight Detachment. So there would be no advantage to tying any units to an Allied detachment as they gain no command benefits from being a detachment in an unbound list. But, if you did... then yes, the Knight would have to be your Warlord, however he won't be either a Knight Warlord (as you don't have enough Knights to make a Knight Detachment) or be eligible for standard Warlord Traits (as a Knight isn't a Character). So I'm not sure it'd really be worthwhile. From the Imperial Knight FAQ: "Page 60-- Including Knights in your Army Replace these three paragraphs with the following: 'When choosing a Battle-forged army you can include any number of Imperial Knight Detachments. Each Imperial Knight detachment must consist of between one and three Imperial Knights (of any type).'" So you can take a battle forged list with one Knight and one allied detachment, right? Next: "Alternatively, if your army contains at least one Imperial Knight and includes no characters, you can nominate an Imperial Knight to be your Warlord. If your Warlord is an Imperial knight, that knight is a character. A Knight warlord recieves a Knight Warlord Trait from the table below." So it seems like the knight would get the warlord trait from being a knight, but not the rank of Seneschal automatically. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dam13n Posted February 27, 2015 Share Posted February 27, 2015 In fact, looking at the FAQ (which I'd previously forgot about): "If you are fielding an Army that contains at least three Imperial Knights (of any type) you can nominate one of them to be your Warlord, even if your army also includes a Character. Alternatively, if your army contains at least one Imperial Knight (of any type) and includes no characters, you can nominate an Imperial Knight to be your Warlord". You have 1 Knight - so according to this, it can be nominated as the Warlord only if there are no other Characters in the army. An Allied Detachment must include an HQ, and they're generally Characters. So I expect you'd have to amend "no characters" to "no eligible characters" in this case, as you couldn't take your Warlord from an Allied Detachment. However, without such an amendment, one of the Characters you'd attempted to take as part of the Allied Detachment would have to be the Warlord, which would effectively dissolve the Detachment (Allied Detachment cannot be the Primary Detachment, and the Primary Detachment is the one containing the Warlord) and thus force the army to be unbound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jeffersonian000 Posted February 28, 2015 Share Posted February 28, 2015 There are armies that can be fielded with no characters, specifically Tyranids. In such an army, if a single Knight is present, that Knight would automatically be the Warlord. SJ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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