Battybattybats Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-HHJx-uxr4vU/VNJpoTtYb_I/AAAAAAAAvk4/5yq058pN0Cs/s1600/Mech-scyllax.jpgThese will be available at the Forgeworld weekender event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malus Trux Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I don't know what they are but I will find them and I will buy them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 They look like insane CC machines. Torches? Servo arms? Chain swords? Please be 3 attacks base and a good weapon skill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I thought I saw a hint of volkite weaponry on a couple of the arms, but it may have just been the angle and they could be chain weapons. Keen to find out what these guys do. Are they unit attachments (a la apothecaries in the LACAL list, etc.), or are they a seperate unit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hellex_The_Thanatar Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I thought I saw a hint of volkite weaponry on a couple of the arms, but it may have just been the angle and they could be chain weapons. Keen to find out what these guys do. Are they unit attachments (a la apothecaries in the LACAL list, etc.), or are they a seperate unit? Maybe unit attachment for Magos Dominos? Like robo-wraith-tyrant guard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nakuth Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I thought I saw a hint of volkite weaponry on a couple of the arms, but it may have just been the angle and they could be chain weapons. Keen to find out what these guys do. Are they unit attachments (a la apothecaries in the LACAL list, etc.), or are they a seperate unit? Maybe unit attachment for Magos Dominos? Like robo-wraith-tyrant guard. Oooer, that would be nice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm presuming these will be on regular release and not just limited to the weekender, yes? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cactus Posted February 5, 2015 Share Posted February 5, 2015 I'm presuming these will be on regular release and not just limited to the weekender, yes? Yes. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 here they are: http://i.imgur.com/sScF9gnl.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/IIGBlRDl.jpg http://i.imgur.com/DKRzESrl.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/VoG9iLgl.jpg They came with additional bolter arms for all of them which in the construction manual are listed as optional to the chainblades and "hand" arms that I equipped them with. There are also a bunch of different mechadendrites to choose from (2 more than needed), each with a different function (8x "interface", which is the green plug one, 3x "servo", 2x "chainblade", 1x "injector", 1x open and 1x closed "drill", 1x open and 1x closed "claw"). Base size is the new 30mm. Still no rules -.- (gives me a bad feeling having them assembled already with leftover options, as the price is pretty steep) From what I can tell, they look like they could work as servo-automata accompaning techpriest auxilia, but with more attacks. I wonder whether the mechadendrites will do anything. Hopefully it'll be good enough to give me a reason to field them - but not in squads of 8-24 only ( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Laertes Posted March 3, 2015 Share Posted March 3, 2015 So many leftover bits? It will be easier to convert Techpriests from now on! :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted March 20, 2015 Share Posted March 20, 2015 experimental rules: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/S/scyllax.pdf troops choice =) infantry, 2W =/ cost a freakin' rhino per model (+extra armor base unit opportunity cost) =( unit size 4-16. at that cost? ugh. =( 2 attacks, single AP5 melee weapon =( allows for single S+2(=6) AP2 attack instead ("dismemberment") =) (kraken) bolters are standart equip, although they gave them to none of the models LOL become fearless when around battlesmiths, but special rad furnace rule reduces toughness of ALL models locked in the same combat, themselves immune to rad. funny. cool model, cool concept, ruleswise: not that good, actually. let's hope the skitarii codex next week has something for them to count-as. In any case, those will be my Ursarax models. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battybattybats Posted March 20, 2015 Author Share Posted March 20, 2015 experimental rules: http://www.forgeworld.co.uk/Downloads/Product/PDF/S/scyllax.pdf troops choice =) infantry, 2W =/ cost a freakin' rhino per model (+extra armor base unit opportunity cost) =( unit size 4-16. at that cost? ugh. =( 2 attacks, single AP5 melee weapon =( allows for single S+2(=6) AP2 attack instead ("dismemberment") =) (kraken) bolters are standart equip, although they gave them to none of the models LOL become fearless when around battlesmiths, but special rad furnace rule reduces toughness of ALL models locked in the same combat, themselves immune to rad. funny. cool model, cool concept, ruleswise: not that good, actually. let's hope the skitarii codex next week has something for them to count-as. In any case, those will be my Ursarax models. Well they are experimental rules, so send FW your feedback and maybe they'll tweak the rules accordingly :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted March 21, 2015 Share Posted March 21, 2015 They suffer Vorax syndrome. Where they just don't have enough attacks despite being a cc unit. FW needs to stop being so :cuss:ing stingy with handing out bonus attacks. Also, they're terrible guardians (fluffwise and ruleswise) considering they leak radiation CONSTANTLY. P.S. And before people start chanting "The flesh is weak!", look up the effects of radiation on electronics. Its just as bad for machines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battybattybats Posted March 22, 2015 Author Share Posted March 22, 2015 But if attached to someone on an Abeyant they may cancel out the +1 toughness when in hand to hand Vs instant death attacks putting them back where they started but as the majority of the unit will be T5 that's not as big an issue. Against shooting the Archmagos retains the T5 as the radiation effect is when locked in assault, retains the re-roll on saves vs templates and blasts and now got a heap of ablative wounds as well as a firepower and assault upgrade.So as guardians i'm not so sure they are that bad.I am surprised they haven't been given the servo-arm battlesmith assist bonus that servo-automata get, but as i put a machinator array and Macrotek on my Archmagos i have a 3+ with reroll. Allowing my Knight to get repaired quite a bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 >WS3>2x S5 at I3 or 1x S6 I1 attack>reduces Toughness on friendlies as well as enemies What the hell? At least they're T5, otherwise they'd be utter trash. I'm still mystified. Ursarax are 1000000000% better and only 10pts more, Jump Infantry and don't compete with other Troops. Their Guardian rule is meaningless, we have Stubborn and Fearless galore. Kraken bolters, really? We have crazy laser and beamer weapons on everyone else..I shouldn't really complain, they could've given them laslocks. Why does FW make mistakes like this? Thallax and Ursarax are awesome, Castellax and Thanatar are awesome. Tech-Thralls are great at being cheap chaff, Myrmidons are both viable...I don't get it. Vorax should've been the wakeup call. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battybattybats Posted March 23, 2015 Author Share Posted March 23, 2015 Or maybe they were making Mech too good and, hearing all the parler de fromage, started pulling back. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted March 23, 2015 Share Posted March 23, 2015 To be fair, Myrmidons are much too expensive, Thallax would need a decent gun and all the non-independent characters are unplayable. FW rules are always hit or miss due to absolutely no playtesting at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bebe Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Well, I happen to like myrmidon destructors even though they are a bit pricey. Thallax are very good - why do you dislike them. An I play Legio so I only get non-independent characters and have learnt how to use them well ( I want castallax as ObSec troops ). Unfortunately the rules for scyllax do not saty they can be included in a Legio list - doh. I guess because legio has no ICs? Not sure I would use them anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battybattybats Posted March 24, 2015 Author Share Posted March 24, 2015 Rules folk, now we have seen that the Skitarii Vanguard have a similar yet different radiation rule will they be complimentary? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grand Master Laertes Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Rules folk, now we have seen that the Skitarii Vanguard have a similar yet different radiation rule will they be complimentary? as for the RAW they are, but I don't think they were designed to be used together. Scyllax are for 30K and Skitarii for 40K, so it was not in the intentions of the Games Designers to let them interact. We might see some tweaking to the Skitarii rule if Forge World ever releases a list to play them in the horus Heresy, but I don't see it very likely in the near future. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted March 24, 2015 Share Posted March 24, 2015 Thallax are very good - why do you dislike them. rather take castellax and minimum thralls for troops, one S7 shot isn't worth the points for me. They're like tau suits without the crack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Battybattybats Posted March 25, 2015 Author Share Posted March 25, 2015 Rules folk, now we have seen that the Skitarii Vanguard have a similar yet different radiation rule will they be complimentary? as for the RAW they are, but I don't think they were designed to be used together. Scyllax are for 30K and Skitarii for 40K, so it was not in the intentions of the Games Designers to let them interact. We might see some tweaking to the Skitarii rule if Forge World ever releases a list to play them in the horus Heresy, but I don't see it very likely in the near future. I don't think we can know how much forgeworld and GW worked together on this so it's impossible to know if scyllax had vanguard in mind at all.... but it is possible. Certainly Skitarii were always going to show up eventually in Heresy and so i expect we'll see 30k lists for them from FW just as soon as they can. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 scyllax and skitarii equip + special rules are pretty much equivalent: troops, rad saturation, relentless, move through cover, carapace armor, kraken bolters/galvanic rifles, servitor protocols/doctrina imperatives (don't know exactly yet, but this is my guess). tougher stats though - it's like they glued together a ranger and a vanguard. the skitarii discussion brought up something that might revalue scyllax, too: friendly models cannot be locked in combat with each other, so the rad poisoning only ever affects enemies. Much better. still too expensive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BassWave Posted March 25, 2015 Share Posted March 25, 2015 Yeah, skitarii vanguard are much better considering they're 9 points a piece. I can bring 4 times more skirarii vanguard then I can bring guardians, and 3 times as many rangers. You bring up an interesting point about friendly models involved iin the same combat aren't considered locked in combat with each other. That would change my perspective on guardians. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reclusiarch Darius Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 It's pretty dumb their rad-aura affects friendlies. If they're meant to be bodyguards, why do they lower their ward's toughness? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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