Sception Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Grain of salt, but... http://natfka.blogspot.com/2015/03/this-weeks-releases-codex-khorne.html Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverson Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 please take this as word of mouth and not even a rumor as it has no credible source what so ever strange thing is, I was shopping with the family on Saturday and popped into my local games workshop, I was talking to the store owner and I was saying I'm hoping for some new chaos things, he then told me that they were getting khorne bezerkers on juggernauts in the next few weeks. tho I was like a giddy teen at the time I completely disregarded it by the time I had got home as him pulling my leg. upon reading this today the dream is being dangeld infront of me again :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Guard Dan Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I hope so. I wonder if it will change unit profiles and point costs at all. Mostly for CSM units that are overcosted when compared to their non-chaos brethren. Looking at you Khorne Berzerkers. Very exciting though! I am looking forward to what the "large format cards" will have. Pseudo-psychic powers? Rage points?? Open topped rhino??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I doubt that there will be any changes to a unit profile but maybe we will be given some options to make this army playable. Now first thing first this will be a "fluffy" supplement much like Black Legion and Crimson Slaughter, I think we should not expect a rise in the competitiveness of both Daemons and CSM due to this book. The salient will be the Bloodthirster rules so that is a thing that I expect, the rest is mere background IMO. Open-topped Rhinos, viable assault or better berzerkers? Nah, not by a long shot. Fluffy maybe, competitive no, I doubt it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukov Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 So it is finally going to happen eh? That's nice. I'm really scared the codex will utterly suck though, but we'll see. I'm enthousiastic either way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jackal Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Perhaps a way to override Daemonic Instability units joining non D.I units? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Strazhakov Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Mildly hyped with a slight dose of sodium chloride poisoning. We'll see soon enough either way. Fantasy End Times is wrapping up and I hope to see good things for 40k Chaos on the horizon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiringchaoschampion Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Why is it khornes the one who almost seems to get more love from gw than the other god Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 That is a valid question but non needed at the moment. The thing is, a rumored new supplement, this is good news, great news. If it helps with our assault elements all the better, if it gives us new background, new lore, then it is golden, if it is actually competitive, then defies belief. Why Khorne, well needless to discuss it now. GW is riding the End Times wave and needs to make the Bloodthirster model viable for 40k, hence the supplement. If we will see someday Slaanesh, Tzeentch and yikes, Nurgle, well it would be an interesting time to be Chaos, until then lets enjoy this release. My opinion is that we will get some formations, perhaps a way to deep strike daemons more precisely or who knows, to attack from the deep strike... everything else is a bit improbable since the basic rules will (probably) not be changed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Xenith Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Why is it khornes the one who almost seems to get more love from gw than the other god Easiest to make models for, easiest to make rules for, currently most powerful god in the background, lots of people have khorne armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zhukov Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 everything else is a bit improbable since the basic rules will (probably) not be changed. This is the kicker. It's improbable, but mandatory almost, unless they give the army and formation insane rules. Even that wont be enough, see Codex: Harlequins. As for now, there is no functioning Khorne unit in the CSM codex lol. In the Daemon codex only Heralds and Hounds. So yeah I'm scared. But hey, chances are we get nice artwork at least! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I hope that the extra hit on every 6 "to hit" will be passed as the army wide rule. That would benefit other units in our books too. As for the rules, well I think we should think more "Karn's Butcherhorde" and less "Necron Decurion". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiringchaoschampion Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I hope that the extra hit on every 6 "to hit" will be passed as the army wide rule. That would benefit other units in our books too. As for the rules, well I think we should think more "Karn's Butcherhorde" and less "Necron Decurion". I do agree however IMO for tzernch and burgle they should get bonuses more like the reclamation legion for example burgle could be models within this detachment re roll rolls of 1 for fnp if they don't have fnp they gain it units within 12" of the warlord get +1 to their fnp. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I think Khorne and Slaanesh need some love as CC focused armies are pretty difficult to use atm with the current shooting rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
King Jackal Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 The Blood for the Blood God cards will be definitive to how successful the book is. I'm hoping for a defensive bonus, maybe a run and charge bonus, different Assault re rolls and/or exploding 6's. Anyone think that Skarr Bloodwrath may pop up? Marked/Daemon of Khorne Helbrute? Some kind of non psycher summoning? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 although almost sure the book will contain a maximum of 6 pages of rules (1 special & warlord, 1 artifacts, 4 formations), this is a good thing anyway, as it creates more formations to use, a quite new yet essential component of army building that all chaos armies were almost completely left out of until now. That WD 60 will contain more exclusive datasheets even increases the propability that one of them will -by pure chance, of course- actually be usable on the table. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skallagoose Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I would expect it to act more like a formations book with maybe new rules for the bloodthirster. Think of it as a Champions of Fenris for the space wolves carried over to CSM+Daemons. You then get a certain bonus for having a specific build with some formation added. I would imagine you lose objective secured but all units in the detachment gain rage on top of furious charge. This is all a guess but i wouldn't imagine something so grand so quick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Well, I'd post my typical Commando response video to anything relating to Chaos Space Marines, but it was blocked last time. Base CSM codex will still be the Base CSM codex. I have a nasty suspision that like Khârn Eater of Worlds it will be a re-release of the Butcherhorde along with a daemon update. Butcherhorde kinda sucks and is 30k Legion inflexible without 30k Legion Awesome Rules and Points discounts for bringing More Guys.I say Butcherhorde sucks mostly because it makes me take FauxZerkers instead of all Beserkers (Which I can very much do-and GLADLY WOULD) but the formation only effects the beserkers and Kcsms, not ANYTHING ELSE in the army-so I can't have Raptors, Bikers, or Terminators-or Hellbrutes or Defilers with the same abilities. And can't give Mark of Khorne to the various vehicles. Wasn't thrilled, and after a slew of recent purchases that made me pretty annoyed at the gaming industry, just rubbed more salt in the wound. All I'm saying: No Assaulting Out of rhinos, no Defiler Slaughterfiend (Zerker's grab onto the walker and ride it-can then assault what the ws5 i4 Mark of Khorne walker assaults), no Mark of Khorne Helbrutes, then No Buy. It's going to have to be good and crunchy to get me in. Like Matt Ward codex crunchy. Like as good as Tau are in shooting, but in Close Combat. I mention again the base codex will be the Current CSM codex. So yeah, there's not a lot of hope in the Age of Obama. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vesper Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 I have a bad feeling about this. Does that mean we wont get a CSM codex anytime soon ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted March 16, 2015 Author Share Posted March 16, 2015 Rumors already had no chaos codex any time soon. The scuttlebutt has all been about assassins and mechanicus minidexes, with generic marines, tau, and eldar as the next existing books to get updates, completely skipping over dark angels and chaos. If this is true, I expect the following things: Stat lines and rules for all current models remain unchanged, with the exception of the blood thirster, because the current daemon and CSM books aren't going away, and I don't expect them to have different rules for the same units accross books (I mean, they do for harlequins right now, but again, eldar are supposedly on the short list, and CSMs and daemons more generally aren't) No new models. If there are new models for a book, those get released first, with rules in WD, and the book following after. That's just how they do stuff now. If the book is next week, and models aren't, then there are no new models in that book, apart from the bloodthirster we already have. So... yeah. Even if this rumor proves true, I would not recommend holding your breath for a major revitalization of chaos generally or even just khornate chaos in particular in the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucio Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 This certainly is a promising rumour, and an interesting new direction for Chaos, moving the focus back towards "mono-god" lists. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 Vesper, in that regard, I'd post the clip with my favorite piece of dialogue from Braveheart, ("The Father says he'd get me out of this...") but it'd probably get blocked. Yeah, we're pretty screwed. I think that line about Marines, Tau and Eldar was written in exasperation, as in "This khorne supplement is as likely to be awesome and super effective as me winning the maximum Lottery, having a pillow fight with Jessica Alba and Scarlet Johanson and I ride around in a Cadillac deville convertable suitably 'lo-ridered', with a Walrus lounging in the back seat," Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tenebris Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 No, we are not. With this book we are at our third supplement for our faction (a major thing here) which will provide more formations and more ideas for people to play with. This will not make us "competitive" but it will breathe some life into our armies, some new ideas, some new themes. As I have said above, do not expect a major overhaul, consider it an expansion on the Khârn's Butcherhorde theme and a way to release the new Bloodthirster rules for 40k, this is all that this book is about. In the terms of gameplay I think books like this are at least a show that GW is still working on Chaos. We will never be on par with the Space Marines or Eldar in terms of power and we will be still shoehorned into our role as the villains of the universe. What we can do, as a community and as players is to bear this as a mark of pride rather than weep all day long. It is a book for Khorne armies. This is good. It will have daemons and marines, this is also good. Maybe it will have some cool artifact and formation, but that is the most that I do expect. In all sincerity, I am beyond the point where I am weeping on the codex, I could not care less and neither should you, if we are competitive or no. If that is the only vibe you get from playing a 40k army then there are way more competitive options out there, Chaos has had a moderate chance something like ten years ago and that is all that we will get. Get over it! But for those who are by soul and heart a Chaos player then this book is good news. I am way more curious about the new background and art than I am about the rules. I hope for more Chaos fluff, for more timelines, more maps, more story. If the rules are good then it is great, if they are not, it will sill be great. I came third in the Doubles tournament past Saturday, with the simple Khorne list you can find in the Army List. My buddy played a Renegade Guard with the FW rules. Our lists were thematic and fluffy... yet we still made it good. I simply pity the players who had to bring an Imperial Knight and a Centurion-star with Tigurius and Coteaz to enjoy the event... We lost to them but I went down with my pride in my colors unscathed. That is what is about Chaos, not about rules or competitive builds, but to represent who you are on the tabletop, to say, I am a Chaos player and I rather shoot myself in the knee then to count as a loyalist to win. Long story short, please avoid the weeping part, I think we were done with it and I attest that I will delete it at a moment's notice should it be indulged. It is Khorne, it is a book with new fluff, new artwork and maybe a new formation or two. I care not if it will be good or bad, as long as a Chaos player I do have something new to play with or to explore a new theme or two. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totgeboren Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 It will be interesting to see the amount of rules the book will contain. Note that it says it's a "Codex" not a supplement. All the Codices so far have contained full rules. If it contains new/current profiles for Berzerkers that would be a strong indicator that Cults are being removed from the next CSM codex, since otherwise there would be rules overlap like they removed with the harlequins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nehekhare Posted March 16, 2015 Share Posted March 16, 2015 tenebris, please stop whining! All this negativity from you about the feelings we true chaos players have towards the army we love and play really makes me sad :( let the people themselves decide how to feel and what they want to read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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