tbone Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Just as the topic states...Can my Nurgle Lord join Fleshounds from Daemonkin khorne? RAW there is nothing from CSM and daemonkin that says I can't. CSM only restricts units with opposing mark... While daemonkin is missing the 'daemonic alignment' the regular Daemons book had that restricts units to all have the same 'daemon of ....' Prior to daemonkin if been converting up some nurgle flesh hound out of their first edition models. :) It'd be awesome to scout my Daemonheart fistclaw nurgle bike lord up with a huge blob flesh hounds :) I'm wondering what you all think. I'm i missing something? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 I don't see anything preventing it at the moment, but I may be missing something. I would consider it poor form, personally, though not sufficiently so for me to refuse to play against you, I'd just roll my eyes a bit. Honestly, though, nurgle spawn really are not lacking as a retinue, so I'm not necessarily sure it's worth doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 Why would it be poor form? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted March 28, 2015 Author Share Posted March 28, 2015 Fair points. I think I like the idea of chaos lord instead a herald to escort the dogs through high toughness models like wraith knights and high AV walkers. :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sception Posted March 28, 2015 Share Posted March 28, 2015 It would be poor form because the entire point of the restriction on joining other-marked units is to not let aligned characters join units of other alignments? Joining daemon units of other alignments seems, if anything, more egregious from a narrative perspective. Again, not saying it's not allowed (though I may be missing something), just that it seems openly contrary to the spirit of the thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Again, loop holes. Yes you can by RAW, but GW writes :cussty rules... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiringchaoschampion Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 You technically can but personally id feel like an ass doing it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kaz'sax Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 I over looked this, though I don't see the benefit of mix matching marks? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted March 29, 2015 Author Share Posted March 29, 2015 It would be poor form because the entire point of the restriction on joining other-marked units is to not let aligned characters join units of other alignments? Joining daemon units of other alignments seems, if anything, more egregious from a narrative perspective. Another fair point. Consider another narrative... You play against me for the first time. I pull out 20 nicely "nurglized" dogs along with a whole army of nurgly things....papa nurgle has got to have some dogs somewhere right, not to mention nurgly women (daemonettes )?Tell you I'm using the rules Gorepack formation from daemonkin for the the dogs and explain how I can join nurgle IC to them. Then ask if my opponent has a problem with it and offer to drop the MoN on my lord if they protest. I think that'd work :) Still thinking about the uses for CSM ICs joining Daemonkin Dogs. I'm thinking a bio-sorc would work quite nice...hopefully getting endurance. A black legion 'last memory' sorc could make good use of the dogs scout move :) but wouldn't want the be stuck in combat like most dogs :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dallas Drake Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 Doesn't the fact that the Lord has MoN and the Hounds are Daemons of Khorne stop this from happening? If not, it should. Plus like already said 5 x MoN Spawn aren't lacking in any way as a retinue. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 I guess I understand where you guys are coming from, but I simply couldn't care less. But I'm the type who sees Knights and 'Nids together as perfectly fine on the tabletop, as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scribe Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 The game is too :cuss rules wise to ignore the fluff that much, to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goonbandito Posted March 29, 2015 Share Posted March 29, 2015 You can do it by the rules if you're taking the Flesh Hounds from the Demonkin codex, since the restrictions in Codex: Chaos Space Marines on joining Marked units only applies to the Marks of Chaos rule and not the Demons of (X) rule. But I'm not sure it's that great a move - you'll lose the benefit of T6, since the unit will be majority T4 from the Flesh Hounds. And since you can't charge the turn you Scout, you'll still be waiting for a turn 2 charge (unless you let yourself be charged, but then Flesh Hounds lose some of their bite since they have Furious Charge). I suppose it is a relatively cheap way to get some T4 2W Beast bodyguards though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gratan Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 If I saw my opponent doing this, I would find a new opponent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Just as the topic states...Can my Nurgle Lord join Fleshounds from Daemonkin khorne? RAW there is nothing from CSM and daemonkin that says I can't. CSM only restricts units with opposing mark... While daemonkin is missing the 'daemonic alignment' the regular Daemons book had that restricts units to all have the same 'daemon of ....' Prior to daemonkin if been converting up some nurgle flesh hound out of their first edition models. It'd be awesome to scout my Daemonheart fistclaw nurgle bike lord up with a huge blob flesh hounds I'm wondering what you all think. I'm i missing something? Can Daemons of Nurgle join Daemons of Khorne in the Codex Daemons Book? Can guys with the Mark of the Crutch God join any unit with a Different mark (other than unmarked units)? I say no. Because :cuss Nurgle they need to be nerfed to Tzeentch levels. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tbone Posted March 30, 2015 Author Share Posted March 30, 2015 Just as the topic states...Can my Nurgle Lord join Fleshounds from Daemonkin khorne? RAW there is nothing from CSM and daemonkin that says I can't. CSM only restricts units with opposing mark... While daemonkin is missing the 'daemonic alignment' the regular Daemons book had that restricts units to all have the same 'daemon of ....' Prior to daemonkin if been converting up some nurgle flesh hound out of their first edition models. It'd be awesome to scout my Daemonheart fistclaw nurgle bike lord up with a huge blob flesh hounds I'm wondering what you all think. I'm i missing something? Can Daemons of Nurgle join Daemons of Khorne in the Codex Daemons Book? Can guys with the Mark of the Crutch God join any unit with a Different mark (other than unmarked units)? I say no. Because :cuss Nurgle they need to be nerfed to Tzeentch levels. Just FYI in case you really didn't read. This has nothing to do specifically with Nurgle, just happens to be the particular god I picked for my war and to follow, mostly due to the modeling and converting possibilities. So if want to whine about how much nurgle is crutch or whatever, start your on thread and propose all nurgle nerfs you can think off. People can go there for your wisdom on where 'power-levels' should be... Instead of a thread discussing using CSM ICs in khorne daemonkin units ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
old git Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 To sum up, yes you can. However, as I said in another thread, chaos players don't play in order to be top tier competitive (some daemon builds aside) but mostly from a fluff/modelling approach, at least that's my experience. Hence the opposition to the idea you're proposing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aspiringchaoschampion Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 Yeah i personally play chaos for fun and fluff so a nurgle lord in a unit of hounds would kind of annoy me Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
totgeboren Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 I wouldn't mid if the hounds looked really Nurgly. I would mind if they looked like Khorne Fleshhounds lead by a Nurgle champion on bike. I mean, in many cases I would prefer if more daemon units were like furies, in that you had a base unit (flying crappy daemon in this case) with the option of making it a Daemon of X. However it must be said this 'loophole' will probably be removed come the next codex, so putting all that effort into making your dogs nurgly will be wasted, at least since I would kinda mind a unit of Nurgle hounds being lead by an obviously Khorne champion, even though it will be (and is) entirely legal. The visuals/background are important, since the rules are crap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cap'm Heckus Posted March 30, 2015 Share Posted March 30, 2015 My guess is that this'll be corrected in the first big errata for the codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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