Voron Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 There are various threads out there discussing duels between various characters and who's the best, so I thought I'd bring it together in one place on B&C. So, who's in the hall of fame, and (controverssially, hypothetically and obviously unanswerable) who's the best? The Astartes Swordsman Hall of Fame: Alajos - best swordsman in the 1st Legion (Savage Weapons). IIRC he was actually better than Corswain? Sevatar - utterly insane, best fighter in the Night Lords beats Alajos in Savage Weapons. Also beats Sigsimund (by cheating). Pretty much undefeated Lucius - said to be one of the greatest, but maybe a bit too focused on perfection in a particular form of fighting to be the best Gets defeated by Loken, Tarvitz and Sharrowkin Sharrowkin - not exactly a swordsman as he uses claws (IIRC) Uses double black blades. Bit of a Mary Sue but as my loyalty is with the XIX I'm happy to keep him in Kills Lucius. Unfortunately death doesn't stick very well Loken - not too big a spoiler: beats Lucius by headbutting him Abbadon - the big man kills Loken Raldoron - greatest Swordsman of Blood Angels (Fear to Tread). Not sure what his credentials are. Khârn - well known badass of the World Eaters Sigsimund - Dorn's champion. Beats Khârn, draws/loses against Sevatar when he gets headbutted Bion Henricos - Iron Hand Cuts Horus Aximand's face off in Little Horus ##### Additions to the list: Tauro Nicodemus - Tetrach of Ultramar Orfeo - Ultramarines Legate, fights Khârn and Argel Tal Sanakht - swordsman of the Thousand Sons, uses precognative powers to be faster Jormungundir- the 2 bladed serpent, Space Wolf swordsman Jubal Khan - V legion, duels Sigsimund Devalrus - World Eater, prolific in the pits Argel Tal - Word Bearer of the Gal Vorbak, has a 'unique skill set' that may well be considered cheating... ##### Who have I missed? Particularly the minor and less famous champions. Are there any nominations for other legions not represented? White Scars (must be some great swordsmen there, maybe Qin Xa or Shiban?), Wolves (Lord Gunn, Bjorn? ), Thousand Sons, Ultras, Death Guard, Iron Warriors, Word Bearers (maybe Argel Tal?), Alpha Legion? As for who's the best, I think that's unanswerable - I saw someone compare it to rock paper scissors, different styles, different circumstances etc. But who knows? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kizzdougs Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Personally I don't think Loken should be on this list. I'm fairly sure that Abaddon was the greatest warrior of the Sons of Horus. For the Ultramarines I'd say the Tetrarch, Tauro Nicodemus. For the Thousand Sons it would probably be the swordsman, Sanakht. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I would concur about Loken. He's not a swordsman, just a brawler imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voron Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 Posted this in army lists instead of general discussion, anyone know any way of moving it? I'll update the original post with everyone's thoughts... Fair point about Loken, I only really included him because he beat Lucius. What's the source for Sanakht? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olis Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Posted this in army lists instead of general discussion, anyone know any way of moving it? PM one of the AoD Mods with a request to move the thread (Flint , Honda or Kage are probably the best options atm). Be sure to include the thread link. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voron Posted April 20, 2015 Author Share Posted April 20, 2015 Moved, thanks to Flint. Any other contenders? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Sharrowkyn uses a pair of black blades. As for Loken Not dead Bion Henricos Is dead Alajos Corswain was the better swordsmen and Alajos died after being double teamed by Sevatar and one other Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blackoption Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Nicodemus was just one of the Tetrarchs. Also, Orfeo was a Legate of the Ultramarines, and skilled enough to make Khârn nervous. Sanakat was involved with a duel against Lucius in the short story Enternal Bladesman (or something like that). He used precongitative powers to predict his opponents moves in battle. If you look at the HH Legion rules: Khârn, Abaddon, Sigismund, and Sevatar all have WS 7 (and i am not sure, but I believe Eidelon was ws 7 as well, but i might be wrong about that). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dantay VI Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Jormungundir, the 2 bladed serpent... Swordsman of the 6th Legion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Chaplain Kage Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 No mention of Sevatar? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 In Horus Rising the other mournival call Loken the best with a blade. Lucius is stated to have studied many different styles so I think that's a bit off, the reason he lost was simply Sharrowkin was better (and as has been mentioned, used two swords not claws). Sevetar isn't (wasn't) insane either, just a latent psyker on top of being ruthless already in a fight. Best fighter would probably have to go to sharrowkyn as he's written as a bit of a mary sue and is essentially the best at everything his legion embodies Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Argal tal, not many can swap between a sword/spearglaiveything as easily, plus other things and stuff Shadrak "bloody" meduson. Evil sword. Evil face cutting off sword. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Jubal Khârn; in Templar, he duelled Sigismund, and faired well. I think they considered him a champion among the rest of the legions, but I cannot recall and I can't be bothered digging it out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I'll admit I've not read much about him, but is Meduson really that good a bladesman? I've never pictured an Iron Hand being much along those lines. Maybe more like the Mountain from GoT, just breaking your defence with force. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Having a dirty sharp sword helps Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 What sort of level is Garro. He kicks all sort of ass in some of his audio dramas. Maybe the best swordsmen in the Death Guard? Also if Loken is a brawler then so is Khârn. I mean he is handicapped in his use of axe over sword but I doubt he sees himself as a master swordsmen. He is awesome though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Master swordsman pffft alpharius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 What sort of level is Garro. He kicks all sort of ass in some of his audio dramas. Maybe the best swordsmen in the Death Guard? Also if Loken is a brawler then so is Khârn. I mean he is handicapped in his use of axe over sword but I doubt he sees himself as a master swordsmen. He is awesome though. Considering loken schools garro using a chainsword I'd say thats even more credence to loken being a swordsman Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Yeah Khârn brawls generally, but then look at how he fights Erebus in Betrayer. That's way beyond the ken of just a tough brawler, that's preternatural lethality. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 WoT already mentioned that Sharrowkyn wields dual blades, not claws. Another feat for Sharrowkyn is his duel in the Seventh Serpent, where he defeats the Alpha Legion duelist and gets the nod from " Alpharius" 'You're good, I'll give you that,' said Alpharius, with an appreciative nod as he mirrored Sharrowkyn's movements, 'I was sure Maesan would kill you.'Graham McNeill (0101-01-01T00:00:00+00:00). The Seventh Serpent (Kindle Locations 2295-2296). Black Library. Kindle Edition. While I am not crazy about Sharrowkyn as a character, since there are so few RG of note I try to like him. WLK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Aren't a few of these guys not really swordsmen? Khârn's famous for using Axes (even Cutter has more in common with an axe/cleaver than a sword). Sevatar's entire thing is with a glaive (hence the Janus speculation). Even Abaddon isn't really portrayed as a swordsman (been a while since I read the Loken duel, so I'm mainly going off the fact that his sword is optional, making me think power fist is his primary weapon). Though Sigismund is probably top dog in any swordsman contest, realistically I'd expect every Legion to have an array of sword-masters somewhere in their ranks. Now it just become a question of how many of them will actually get pulled into the spotlight by events/authors. If you're talking about melee fighting in general though, that's a whole new rabbit hole . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 Corswain is so far the best bladesman of the 1st legion, Alajos was a close second and regarded highly by Corswain. I wouldn't discount Khârn, he doesn't fight well in the pits because he really doesn't care for them. Delvarus was the better pit fighter but Khârn was a bigger badass, and I think he might fight pretty damn evenly with Siggy until he kills him the first time during the Siege...unless he dies death by Sharrowkyn, at which point I'll personally burn down Graham McNeill's book supplier. Sharrowkyn is a Mary Sue, I wouldn't put him in the lists. But that's just like my opinion man :P Who's the Thousand son duelist? I remember hearing him be pretty boss. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spinsanity Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 XII : Delvarus From Betrayer, chapter 2 : Kargos tsked. ‘What do you say, Esca? Any prophecies for me? Will anyone ever beat that whoreson Delvarus in the pits?’ While not a swordsman (he flights with a meteor hammer), Khârn isn't either... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SkimaskMohawk Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 WoT already mentioned that Sharrowkyn wields dual blades, not claws. Thats why I said "as has been mentioned earlier"... As to the best swordsmen, I think the Op really means best duelist as he included sevetar and Khârn in his list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TemujinZero Posted April 20, 2015 Share Posted April 20, 2015 I think you're misinterpreting the Sevatar Sigismund duel. Sev didn't win by cheating. He knew he couldn't win and conceded. He just did it in his own typically VIIIth legion fashion. We hear this from his own perspective and he's pretty clear that he was throwing in the towel, not winning by other means. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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