The DA FAQ request : let's centralize everything guys !

[Master Avoghai]

Well Guys, as the DA codex is on the way to be released the last leaks seem to show that GW still hasn't lost its schizophrenic capacity to release nice models with nice rules and forget obvious points.

 

I propose to centralize the questions in this topic in order that we may all mail the GW team the same bunch of questions so that they understand it's a major issue and not simply one or 2 random guys they don't care about.

 

Please though : this topic goal's is to centralize unclear points. It's not a topic to moan about GW (everybody makes errors) nor to ask for options that have been clearly not included :

 

For example, the question : "do the Company vets may have access to special ammo?" or "Have you forgottent the centurion entries?" are not the purpose of this topic :rolleyes:

 

I'll edit this topic with your questions. In order to keep it clear and easy to read I think we should write them the same way :

 

Q: Name of the section/artefacts/weapons/special rules concerned and the page Your Question

 

I'll do my first 4 let's see if you have any more questions

 

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p159) : The battle Force allows to include 3 HQ. However the limitations state that only models with the ravenwing special rule are allowed and only Sammael has this special rule. Should we assume that giving a space marine bike to a character wautomatically gives him the Ravenwing special rule?

 

Q : Ravenwing Battle Force (p159) : The rule Strike As One specifies that ALL the formation should either be deployed entirely or kept in reserve entirely. Since the rulebook oblige me to keep flyers in reserve, does it imply then that a Ravenwing Battle Force including any flyer (Dark Talon or Nephilim) is obliged to be entirely kept in reserve?

 

Q : Deathwing Battle Force (p158) : The rule specifies that the units should be placed in Deep Strike Reserve. But what about a Deathwing squad in a dedicated Land Raider?

Do the Land raider arrive via Deep Strike?

Is the Land raider deployed on the table and the squad is kept in DS reserve?

Are both the squad and the Land Raider deployed on the table?

Other solution?

 

Q : Deathwing Battle Force (p158) : If I use a single detachment, all my squads are must be kept in reserve and therefore arrive after the 1st turn. But since I have no units on the table turn one, does it mean that a single Deathwing Battle Force automatically loose the game turn one?

 

Q : Deathwing Redemption Force (p141) : Same questions as above. How do I deal with transport with the deathwind assault special rules? If I use the formation alone, how can I do to have units on the table turn 1?

 

Q: Deathwing Strike Force (p.158)

Restrictions say that all models have to have the Deathwing special rule.

This would mean that Azrael, Asmodai, Ezekiel, Interrogator-Chaplain, Librarian and Company Master can be taken.

 

However, Summoned to War rule states that all models have to be deployed by Deep Strike.

This is not a problem for Interrogator-Chaplain, Librarian and Company Master if they have TDA purchased,

but how are Azrael, Asmodai and Ezekiel supposed to be deployed? Or are they simply not allowed in this detachment?

 

Q: The Rift cannon (p 150) has the vortex rule on any roll of doubles and is applied immediately. However, the rules for vortex specifically say to place the blast marker and roll for scatter. Does the template simply scatter the original distance and count as vortex, not scatter and count as vortex, or roll scatter as per vortex rules, replacing the original scatter?

 

Q : Sammael in Sableclaw (p101) Sabreclaw is: Vehicle (Fast, Skimmer, Character).

Does this mean if he is charged in combat (despite that vehicles cannot charge into combat themselves) he could be challenged? If so, what profile would he fight with as Vehicles are WS1 for the purposes of combat.

 

Q : Company Master (p106) : Isn't the bike option missing? How can I represent a successor chapter Master on bike or even the support company Master on bike?

 

Q : Ravenwing Support squadron (p143) : The ravenwing support squadron descirption states that a Darkshroud and the LS form one single unit.

The Darkshroud has the Shrouded USR. As per the USR, does this mean that the shrouded special rule of the Darkshroud extends to the other member of its unit and that all the squadron has the shrouded special rule?

Moreover, do the LS of the squadron also profit from the "Icon of old Caliban" special rules and benefit from the stealth special rules?

 

Q: Dark Angels Wargear List(p134) :Power Armoured Characters are able to buy all 4 Combi Weapons available but Characters in Terminator Armour are can only buy 3 with Combi-Grav being excluded is this on purpose.

 

Q: Can we use Seraphicus rules (limited edition dark angel int chappy) in this edition? If so, what is his profile?

 

 

Q: Interrogator Chaplain (p102)An I-Chapalin in TDA my take terminator weapons, and under the description of them (p97) it states "...may replace its power weapon with one of the following:". Does the Crozius arcanum count as a power weapon?

[cielaq]

Question 3 applies to bothDeathwing Strike Force (detachment) and Deathwing Redeption Force (formation). Aslo, the other possible solution is that you can't take Land Raiders in this case.

[Master Avoghai]

Yup it's a "possible" solution, hence why I have ended by "other solutions?" ;)

 

As the rules wording differ slightly between the redemption force and the srike force I think it's better to have 2 different questions, each of them use the exact wording of the rules to formulate the question

[twopounder]

Q: The Rift cannon (p 150) has the vortex rule on any roll of doubles and is applied immediately. However, the rules for vortex specifically say to place the blast marker and roll for scatter. Does the template simply scatter the original distance and count as vortex, not scatter and count as vortex, or roll scatter as per vortex rules, replacing the original scatter?

[cielaq]

Q: Battle Demi Company (p. 140) Can the Chaplain be replaced by Interrogation Chaplain?

 

I'm pretty sure the answer is "no", but it won't hurt to ask, just in case it's omission.

[MoonPhoenix]

 

Should we assume that giving a space marine bike to a character wautomatically gives him the space marine special rule?

 

Please change "space marine" to "Ravenwing".

[twopounder]

Also, you have P for page number. Might want to add that.

[Master Avoghai]

@ Moonphoenix yup thank you

 

@ twopounder : yeah it's because the leaked pic don't have the page of the book. I'll edit my message ASAP. Your question has been added.

 

@cielaq : I also think so but you re right : after all the company chaplain may have the investigator rank.

[SnakeChisler]

Q: The Rift cannon (p 150) has the vortex rule on any roll of doubles and is applied immediately. However, the rules for vortex specifically say to place the blast marker and roll for scatter. Does the template simply scatter the original distance and count as vortex, not scatter and count as vortex, or roll scatter as per vortex rules, replacing the original scatter?

 

It will stay where it is till the start of the next turn when it will move as per the Vortex rule, even if you fire a Vortex weapon it doesn't start wandering till the beginning of the next & subsequent turns.

 

When firing a Vortex if your in cover or have a Jink save you can end up on it but still alive.

It states for determining wound allocation treat as barrage but no where does it say it ignores cover so we've been treating it as a normal shooting attack (Vortex of Doom) because treat as for wound allocation is specific to wound allocation not taking on the other properties of Barrage.

[cielaq]

Another one, just to be sure:

Q: Deathwing Terminator Squad (p. 116) Two Lighting Claws/ Thunderhammer & Storm Shield replace "all weapons". Can they be taken together with Cyclone Launcher?

 

On the other hand, last time when we've asked this, they changed 2LC/TH&SS entry to "replace SB&PW with", so maybe it's better not to ask. ;)

[SnakeChisler]

Q: Battle Demi Company (p. 140) Can the Chaplain be replaced by Interrogation Chaplain?

 

I'm pretty sure the answer is "no", but it won't hurt to ask, just in case it's omission.

 

No

 

It specifically states Chaplain or Company Master

 

Interrogator Chaplain is Inner Circle with a 0 - 1 option for every Demi-Company as funnily enough is Librarian!

 

It doesn't save that you can't upgrade him with a Bike tho \0/ so your command squad can now be Ravenwing CS

[cielaq]

I know what is written, I just want to make sure it's not miskate.

As for Librarian, I don't know why you consider it funny - all librarians are (always were) members of Deathwing. :)

[Master Avoghai]

Another one, just to be sure:

Q: Deathwing Terminator Squad (p. 116) Two Lighting Claws/ Thunderhammer & Storm Shield replace "all weapons". Can they be taken together with Cyclone Launcher?

 

On the other hand, last time when we've asked this, they changed 2LC/TH&SS entry to "replace SB&PW with", so maybe it's better not to ask. ;)

Yeah I think so. Moreover it specifies that one model may choose a weapon in the terminators heavy weapons and that the CML doesn't replace any weapon...

[Elios Harg]

Another one, just to be sure:

Q: Deathwing Terminator Squad (p. 116) Two Lighting Claws/ Thunderhammer & Storm Shield replace "all weapons". Can they be taken together with Cyclone Launcher?

On the other hand, last time when we've asked this, they changed 2LC/TH&SS entry to "replace SB&PW with", so maybe it's better not to ask.

Yeah, we need to make sure that when we ask we beg them not to remove the ability to take 2LC and TH/SS with our sergeants... that was likely an accident as well. Of course, this assumes they even make FAQs/Errata anymore.

[Elios Harg]

Another one, just to be sure:

Q: Deathwing Terminator Squad (p. 116) Two Lighting Claws/ Thunderhammer & Storm Shield replace "all weapons". Can they be taken together with Cyclone Launcher?

On the other hand, last time when we've asked this, they changed 2LC/TH&SS entry to "replace SB&PW with", so maybe it's better not to ask.

Yeah I think so. Moreover it specifies that one model may choose a weapon in the terminators heavy weapons and that the CML doesn't replace any weapon...

It's an order of operations thing. If you take the LCs/TH first as suggested by the order of the list, then the CML, then sure. If there is NO order of operation then the CML gets replaced along with the other weapons. Hopefully, instead of an errata on this issue they simply say "Yes, you may take a CML with a model that has 2LC or TH/SS"

If they do an errata it needs to read "Any model may replace its stormbolter and powerfist or stormbolter and powersword with..."

[Blank05]

Q : Deathwing Battle Force (p) : If I use a single detachment, all my squads are kept in reserve and therefore arrive the turn I choose after the 1st one. But since I have no units on the table turn one, does it mean that a single Deathwing Battle Force automatically loose the game turn one?

 

I think it'd be important to include DSing turn 1 as a possible option. We've had the ability to do so for the past 2 codices, so it stands to reason we may be supposed to have it now and the numer "1" is accidentally missing.

[Blank05]

Also, even though I think it's pretty clear wording that the +2 doesn't apply, it may be worth making a question about Smite Attacks since there is/was a bit of a debate going on about it.

 

Q. Smite Pg. X Is the Mace of Absolution's +2 from it's profile included when a model elects to use Smite? Or is it simply a single S x2 AP 2?

 

Or something to that effect.

[Master Sheol]

about the DWSF and LR...i guess LR cannot be taken as they don't have the DW SR...

[beastrouille]

As they can be selected as a dedicated transport for DWT squads, they can...

[Dread_Hospitaller]

Blank, dude, its pretty clear cut. You get either str +2 ap3, or str x2 ap2. Covered in the other rumor threads pretty extensively.

[Master Avoghai]

Also, even though I think it's pretty clear wording that the +2 doesn't apply, it may be worth making a question about Smite Attacks since there is/was a bit of a debate going on about it.

 

Q. Smite Pg. X Is the Mace of Absolution's +2 from it's profile included when a model elects to use Smite? Or is it simply a single S x2 AP 2?

 

Or something to that effect.

Like said before : this has been extensively covered in the other thread. The description clearly states that the 2 profiles are mutually exclusive.

[SinnerBeta]

Q : Deathwing Battle Force (p) : If I use a single detachment, all my squads are kept in reserve and therefore arrive the turn I choose after the 1st one. But since I have no units on the table turn one, does it mean that a single Deathwing Battle Force automatically loose the game turn one?

You are thinking of the DW Redemption Force formation rule. The DW Battle Force detachment doesn't have a rule that influences which turn your units enter the game and can include Venerable Dreads in Drop Pods that will deep strike turn one. Hence I don't forsee a change here since we do technically have an option to not auto-lose on the first turn when using pure Deathwing.

 

A thing that I would like to propose for clarification:

The DW Battle Force mentions that all the units must have the DW special rule and start in deep strike reserves but unlike the DW Redemption Force it doesn't mention that all HQ models need to be equiped with a Terminator armor. I take it that it wasn't included in the requirements due to it being logical that they must take the Terminator armor since they must start in deep strike reserves, but I'm asking just in case we could find a loophole to field more things on turn one.

[Elios Harg]

Well, I think along with dedicated transports the non-TDA Deathwing characters present an issue of contradicting rules. We can field them based on the requirements, but if we do then the detachment breaks.

[snoopy]

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p159) : ....

 

Q : Deathwing Battle Force (p158) : ....

 

 

Q : (p106) No Space Marines Bike option for Company Master ?

 

Q : (p143) The ravenwing support squadron is composed with 1 unit of land speeder & LS vengence/darkshroud (support squadron rule)

The rules of the Darkshroud (p127) say "Friendly units with the Dark Angels Factions within 6ps of one or more Darkshrouds gain Fear and Stealth special rules (thought this does not affect the Darkshrouds themselve)" & the LS darkshroud has the rule Shrouded. 

So, the Land speeder of the squadron obtain the rule "Shrouded" (same unit than the Darkshroud) and the LS Darkshroud give Stealth to the other Land speeder of the unit for a +3 at the cover save (Land Speeder) & +2 at the cover save (Darkshroud) ? 

 

 

(Sorry if my english isn't very good) 

[ValourousHeart]

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p) : The battle Force allows to include 3 HQ. However the limitations state that only models with the ravenwing special rule are allowed and only Sammael has this special rule. Should we assume that giving a space marine bike to a character wautomatically gives him the Ravenwing special rule?

 

Q : Ravenwing Battle Force (p) : The rule Strike As One specifies that ALL the formation should either be deployed entirely or kept in reserve entirely. Since the rulebook oblige me to keep flyers in reserve, does it imply then that a Ravenwing Battle Force including any flyer (Dark Talon or Nephilim) is obliged to be entirely kept in reserve?

 

They may not want the Chaplain, I-Chap, Libraian, or Techmarine to be able to re-role their Jink save.

So an alternative we could suggest is that the limitation be models with the RW special rule or HQ units that have taken a bike.

 

Q: Battle Demi Company (p. 140) Can the Chaplain be replaced by Interrogation Chaplain?

 

The I-Chap isn't part of the Demi-company, it is only part of the Inner Circle which is optional.

So i think the obvious answer is no.

It is odd that the Chap is the only HQ not included in the Inner Circle.

Well the Techmarine too, but they made it clear that only the Master of the Forge was member of the Inner Circle, and he was hardwired into the Rock's navigation system as part of his initiation into the Inner Circle.

 

 

Q: Lion's Blade Strike Force (p):  Are the DW Strike Force and RW Strike Force alternative core choices for the Lion's Blade?

 

Q: Lion's Blade Strike Force (p):  Are the Auxiliary choices from the Lion's Blade available without taking the Lion's Blade?

For example can I field a RW Attack Squadron with along side the DW Strike Force?

 

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p): The formation allows for the re-roll of the warlord trait.

Does this mean that in that formation since Sammie is the only HQ with the RW special rule, and therefore the only possible choice, does he get to re-roll his warlord trait?

Or as the question above are there other HQ choices available to this formation that can make use of that re-roll.

 

Q: Ravenwing Battle Force (p): The formation allows for 3 HQs and 1 Elite choice.

The only elite choice with the RW special rule is the RW command squad.

If we are allowed to take mulitple HQs, are we allowed to take a RW command squad for each of them?