Fire Golem Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Pretty brief question really (I debated whether it was worth opening a thread); as I understand it, 'there are no wolves on Fenris' means that the 'wolves' are actually humans severely mutated by the SW geneseed, right? But then Leman Russ' lore atm has him being raised by a wolf in his early years on the planet, and he has his wolves Freki and Geri, who were that wolfs cubs, so... There are wolves on Fenris? Is it just a case of new fluff overruling old fluff and when they get to LRs origins the raised by wolves things will be gone? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ramell Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Or it's a single line that people are reading a bit too much into. There was a thread on it in the BL subforum a couple of months ago. Try giving that a read. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 7, 2015 Author Share Posted July 7, 2015 Cheers. Seems it was read too much into, but I seem to remember it being repeated in PB as if it was an important point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Cheers. Seems it was read too much into, but I seem to remember it being repeated in PB as if it was an important point. They call those, Red Herrings, sometimes ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 7, 2015 Author Share Posted July 7, 2015 Cheers. Seems it was read too much into, but I seem to remember it being repeated in PB as if it was an important point. They call those, Red Herrings, sometimes ;) Yeah but red herrings have a purpose, to distract you from something else. I'm not sure what it was distracting us from? Just seems like it was stressed for no reason. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Reyner Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 It was probably the Thousand Sons taking the mickey since actual wolves are long extinct and from Terra. Jedi mind tricks! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SpecialIssue Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 It is a throwaway line meant to be taken however you want it to, and to which the truth (if there is even one) will never be definitively be revealed. (I hope) You Heresy people have been weaned on too much exposition and certainty. :D Edit: better add a smiley to say that I mean it in good nature Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 You Heresy people have been weaned on too much exposition and certainty. :D There is some irony there since more than a few of the Heresy people are 40K vets who complained about certainty being introduced into the mainstream fluff lol. :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 7, 2015 Author Share Posted July 7, 2015 I don't mind it being unclear, I just seem to remember it being weirdly stressed for something that isn't actually important. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memento Of Prospero Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 It's part of the new Wolfy Mcwolf mystique. Everyone sees us as barbarians, but there are no wolves on fenris! **Smoke bombs** Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Joe Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I uh, thought it was in relation to the comment Khârn made elsewhere about the Space Wolves not being wolves at all; more like trained dogs. It was something to that effect. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daemon2027 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I always saw it a comment that wasn't to be taken literally. I read it as, 'we, the Space Wolves, are not savages but are in fact a deeply cultured legion'. It fits with the whole, what seems savage on the surface can in fact be more then it seems, which was what I took from PB's. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegriss Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I can't remember where it's from but I know it's a BL book some where but I thought it was eluded to that the human population was genetically augmented to beter survive when it was first seeded on Fenris in the deep dark past of humanity's first golden age and that the wolves where some how related to this in some way, that is also why the space wolves gene seed is typically unsuccessful with human stock from other world's. thusly the VI legion where less wolf like before Russ was found because his genetic material which included the canis helix stabilized there gene seed for faster recruitment but has trouble bonding with human genetic material that lacks the prerequisite stepping block in there DNA to accept the canis helix. I always assumed that this pre ascension to legionary genetic manipulation that is inherent to Fenrisians allows them to survive where other humans would not also interacts to make the post Fenris VI more wolf like and genetically deviant then would have been acceptable to the Terran born legions in a way finding Russ was a boon in that it allowed faster Geneseed replication but it also tainted the geneseed with the canis helix so it now only accepts the genetic markers found in Fenrisians This added pre-astartes gene boosting may also help explain why a single Valka Fenryka is considered slightly more powerfull then other astartes in a single combat situation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 The Space Wolves had forces the fought in Unification, so the gene seed being Fenrisian exclusive isn't viable. I understand the line to be a tongue in cheek reference to the legion, meaning the only wolves on Fenrisian are the legionaries themselves. Thefenrisian wolves are likely genetic experiments that became feral during the AoS. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 became feral during the AoS. OK, we need to do something about all these intialisms and acronyms. I read this as 'Age of Sigmar', and was both confused and terrified that the new Fantasy fluff somehow taints 40k pre-history. Then I realised you meant 'Age of Strife' . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Eh, I think the noble savage cliche is just tripe. I do like the more Nordic feel to the Wolves however. I've been playing some more Skyrim lately....so that could contribute :P I'd really love to see them get some Berzerkers in a similiar vein to the ones that attacked the Roman legions in Germania. They are savages, but controlled savages. Not like the blood thirst of XIIth or the XIth, though. I want the Wolves to embrace their barbarism and be proud of it, not we are crazy but jk lol we are actually all chess masters (that was a poke at you McNeill). I do really think it's supposed to be a metaphor considering the Canis Helix stuff is just silly IMHO. The humanistic noble SWs feel like Theon Greyjoy. They try to act cool and barbaric like their other family members, but ultimately get laughed at and end up missing important male parts. /sorry for the rant. I just think the Wolves should just go full Barbarian with a controlled demeanor except for in combat. None of this namby pamby "we are actually just cool guys that would help you move into your new flat" kinda deal. Help me Bligh Kenobi, you're my only hope. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegriss Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 yes the wolves had viable gene seed before Fenris and before Russ but after that they were unable to create succesor chapters due to gene seed in compatability it sais so in one of the black library books I think a breacher style varangian guard would be a cool unit as well also there has to be some reason for wolves before devolved and failed astartes as Russ was the wolf King before the legion discovered Fenris in no way am I saying that I am cannon accurate that's just the way I have interpreted this stuff the great thing about 40 and 30k is they always leave just enough wiggle room to talor things to you're personal taste (except thunder wolf cavalry I mean come on what are we 7 year old anime fans) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Russ being raised by Wolves is going to be a legend, not his actual upbringing when they finally get covered. It'll just be the mythology surrounding him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fire Golem Posted July 7, 2015 Author Share Posted July 7, 2015 Russ being raised by Wolves is going to be a legend, not his actual upbringing when they finally get covered. It'll just be the mythology surrounding him. Yeah, I hope so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Tharand Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 I can't remember where it's from but I know it's a BL book some where but I thought it was eluded to that the human population was genetically augmented to beter survive when it was first seeded on Fenris in the deep dark past of humanity's first golden age and that the wolves where some how related to this in some way, that is also why the space wolves gene seed is typically unsuccessful with human stock from other world's. thusly the VI legion where less wolf like before Russ was found because his genetic material which included the canis helix stabilized there gene seed for faster recruitment but has trouble bonding with human genetic material that lacks the prerequisite stepping block in there DNA to accept the canis helix. I always assumed that this pre ascension to legionary genetic manipulation that is inherent to Fenrisians allows them to survive where other humans would not also interacts to make the post Fenris VI more wolf like and genetically deviant then would have been acceptable to the Terran born legions in a way finding Russ was a boon in that it allowed faster Geneseed replication but it also tainted the geneseed with the canis helix so it now only accepts the genetic markers found in Fenrisians This added pre-astartes gene boosting may also help explain why a single Valka Fenryka is considered slightly more powerfull then other astartes in a single combat situation I'm fairly certain it was in 'Prospero Burns' or 'A Thousand Sons' that it's eluded to that the wolves are genetically failed settlers. Or that's how I took it anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegriss Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 hah I'm not crazy and just making things up that's good now do you also hear the voices I'd like to know I'm not the only one who hears them as well Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Yeah, I guess the basic sentiment is that the Wolves make this big deal about being Wolves because of all of this Fenrisian iconography associated with wolves and ultimately the kicker is that "there are no real wolves from Fenris." Just things made to resemble Wolves. Could be entirely wrong though because it is all rather very vague. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wade Garrett Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 The humanistic noble SWs feel like Theon Greyjoy. They try to act cool and barbaric like their other family members, but ultimately get laughed at and end up missing important male parts. I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of Winterfell being sacked. Also, given that in the TV show the "more cool and barbaric" members of the Greyjoy family had to flee from a naked man and three dogs (House Greyjoy Words: We Wouldn't Survive Five Minutes Of An Episode of COPS) Theon is a :cuss credit to his bloodline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GhostMalone Posted July 7, 2015 Share Posted July 7, 2015 Or maybe the emperor was all like leman your my favourite so I bought you these two puppies! *crams puppies into the pod* Now have a safe trip and whatever you do don't start thinking your a wolf or a dog or whatever your really a scandanavian Prince named Swen Luscious Locks Edit: auto correct Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wolf Lord Loki Posted July 10, 2015 Share Posted July 10, 2015 Or it turns out the whole mythos started at a banquet with Fulcrum before the heresy Fulgrim: "ye gods brother! Your table manners are appalling! We're you raised.by wolves on your planet!" Russ: (smugly) "Yup! Pass me the tripe would you brother! Later redactions in imperial history removed the name of the other person from the records. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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