jimbo13 Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Hey guys, Does anyone use these bad boys? I love the whole design of em and the dakka dakka they can bring to the table. If anyone uses them I'd love to hear about their use. Also are they too mean too use? Will the gaming group hate me? Or should I stick with the baseline pattern? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Baseline comes with some nest benefits; namely that in the red book they got Sunder Shells, and with a unit of 3 LR's, they got Scout and Command Tank Special rule, and only take up one Slot if that is a thing for you. With Spartans running around taking an Achilles out isn't hard as it is in 40k, the counter is the same thing (haywire), meaning that it is only of real use when you can neutralize enemy Haywire. No, they aren't hard to use, and without AP3 are kinda underpowered in 30k games. In 40k they are much better where the hordes of 5+ saves turn it to a case of feeding the pig. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 I've used it a Few Times. Made for a great unit to corner a Darkfire Praevian Unit (its immune to Lance) with since you can easily keep it out of charge range while its S8 Shooting makes it a bit easier to actually wound the Unit (I bought the Multi-Melta variant way back). Though its low Rate of Fire meant its damage output was pretty low, it still killed my opponents Sicaran and 2/3 Castellax (of 5; I Plasma-Seeker Bombed the unit 1st Turn and killed 1 + 3 Wounds...then ate Chem-Flamers to the face) then followed up shooting his Bunkered Tac Blob with Frag Shells though DG are immune to Pinning so it was VERY "meh" By that point my Contemptor got into combat with the 2 Remaining Castellax & Praevian and proceeded to Bop both of them Dead but die to the Praevian (he failed to hurt my Contemptor with Smash Attacks and couldn't roll 5+ Invulnerable Saves all game) over the course of 2 turns of Combat. The other time I used it, in a 5k Game, his Las Rapiers, Spartan, Sicaran and Venator all shot into it throughout the game and it died in 3 Turn though it was fighting for Primary Target with my Phobos and Spartan. If you can use the Volkite Version in 40k, especially vs Horde Armies, its Mean. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted August 3, 2015 Author Share Posted August 3, 2015 Is the standard more functional or the alpha pattern in respects to, all challengers accepted? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 3, 2015 Share Posted August 3, 2015 Is the standard more functional or the alpha pattern in respects to, all challengers accepted? Different Roles. Alpha is more suited to light armor and infantry MM Achilles is more anti-tank. Quantity (12 Shots, all told) vs Quality (6 S8 Shots). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted August 4, 2015 Author Share Posted August 4, 2015 Is the standard more functional or the alpha pattern in respects to, all challengers accepted? Different Roles. Alpha is more suited to light armor and infantry MM Achilles is more anti-tank. Quantity (12 Shots, all told) vs Quality (6 S8 Shots). Lol. Why do you have to go and make such rational arguments. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Probably good in a land raider battle squadron with iron hands, outflanking mm tanks? Yes please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Probably good in a land raider battle squadron with iron hands, outflanking mm tanks? Yes please! Its 1.2k+ points though! Its nigh unkillable, but still! Add in Ferrus for Free IWND and buy Blessed Autosimulacra on each tank and shove 1 Tech Marine into each tank. Laugh to the end of the game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Don't you get blessed for free with the row? :-) Haha, im willing to bet you'd be 'the kid no one wants to play' or they'd taje loads of melta bombs and took up to counter it :-) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 4, 2015 Share Posted August 4, 2015 Don't you get blessed for free with the row? :-) Haha, im willing to bet you'd be 'the kid no one wants to play' or they'd taje loads of melta bombs and took up to counter it :-) AFAIK, its 10pts so I dunno. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted August 6, 2015 Author Share Posted August 6, 2015 Probably good in a land raider battle squadron with iron hands, outflanking mm tanks? Yes please! Its 1.2k+ points though! Its nigh unkillable, but still! Add in Ferrus for Free IWND and buy Blessed Autosimulacra on each tank and shove 1 Tech Marine into each tank. Laugh to the end of the game. You sir are a bad man/evil genius....... AND I LOVE IT!!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Theredknight Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Don't you get blessed for free with the row? :-) Haha, im willing to bet you'd be 'the kid no one wants to play' or they'd taje loads of melta bombs and took up to counter it :-) AFAIK, its 10pts so I dunno. Il read the row later, but I'm pretty sure their tanks all get it for free, and outflank for 'tank' entries Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted August 6, 2015 Share Posted August 6, 2015 Unlike most LR's, it is a shooting tank that struggles to score (requires 5 man Squad camping inside. Flamers as a close range deterrent is what, 75? So you have a squadron of tanks off the battlefield for one turn at least, maybe more. That is imtended to shoot. Why not Scout them? An extra turn shooting with 2 TL Lascannons, 4 TL MM, and 2 Quad Mortars with the option to outflank or keep a pregame move instead of being stuck in deployment zone/outflank. Plus, you get the reroll if you need for your outflanking melta preds or outflanking Caestus with Tank Commander to come in that way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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