Big Bad Squig Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 The balance of power being what it is, the traitor side can't afford to lose their Primarchs this early. It simply cannot be a even stroke on both sides or else the traitors would be outnumbered and outmatched by the end. The loyalists have to take a heavy blow, several legions cripple and one or more Primarchs murdered. It's the downside to having so many loyalist Primarchs. If needs be, my Primarchs can always change sides. They are by no means set in stone. Just tell me what sides you need my legions on and they will go. The Fire Keepers are about 150000 total most of that with the primarch in the 77th Fleet. Tribe Esus and Tribe Mogon, about 18000 astartes total, are attached to the 1445th Expedition. Chief Captain Jehu of Tribe Nerius commands the 333rd Expeditionary Fleet from the Battle Barge Perditio Rex, his primarch's former flagship. Tribe Nerius' compliment is roughly 13000 astartes and is accompanied by regiments of the Imperial Army and a force of a Titans. Is it just me or is Niklaas the only siege oriented primarch? My unwritten background has him raised on a world dominated by medieval castles and forts. Anyway. What if Jehu, who is the biological son of the family that found Niklaas as a child, and his expedition are all killed in the Massacre. The primarch's fleet arrived after it's all over. Enraged Niklaas launches a retaliatory campaign and just as he is managed to corner a traitor fleet and is about to burn them all... Dad calls...someone must build the mighty bulwarks. Terra must be reinforced. Niklaas must decide, Vengeance or duty. Ensure the survival of the Imperium or quench the fire in his heart. Koschei and his legion are also fairly siegy EDIT: Ignore this, my legions have places now Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 After the loyalists are first betrayed and take said heavy blow, how about this a tactic: The Crimson Lions and Void Eagles launch assaults on the traitors in orbital battles to slow them down and get the other loyalists more time. The Fire Keepers place detachments from their legion on worlds of a high strategic importance to try and stop the traitors from taking them or making rhem bleed heavily for them, the Halycon Wardens and the Iron Bears do something similair. On worlds where victory is impossible the Dune Serpants are deployed to wage long drawn out wars of hit&run attrition. The Scions Hospitalier withdraw Imperial Industry and Imperial Army to re deploy them elsewhere. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 A sound strategy. The only caveat is that the Halcyon Wardens are also on rebellion suppressant duty. The idea being is that while the forward legions are trying to slow down the Traitors, the Warmaster is re-securing Imperial authority, starting from the center and working his way outward. That way, while the Traitor's make easy progress taking over the outer half of the Imperium, when they reached the core, they find themselves without anymore assistance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 And, let's make it official, Daer'dd will be the one who dies during the opening salvo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Depending on how things go, the Bears would go on the Hunt decimating smaller or cut off forces, with our current production facilities any brother we can save by entombing in a dreadnought we would. And those whom were already "Ironbound" it would be of the greatest honor for them. Obviously the Iron Bears would be more than willing to assault heavily fortified traitor positions as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 After Daer'dd's death his brother Aandeg would lead the legion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 After Daer'dd's death his brother Aandeg would lead the legion. His Equerry? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Yes, he's a powerful psyker and the absolute first Huronian recruit. And about 70 years before the insurrection (if we're still going with 200 years of crusades) he's elevated to Chief Librarian of the Legion. After Daer'dd's death he's a natural figure head for the legion and the Iron Kings vote for him to be the legion's Chief and Master. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Given that Hectarions fate will probably be uncertain(as these things often are following large scale ambushes and rebellion) it's likely that some Crimson Lions detachments will try and link up with the Iron Bears to try and co ordinate some form of offensive, Hectarion or no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlphariusOmegon108 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Oh oh oh! I want to kill Dear'dd of! Alexos would love that! If it is.. possible in this universe ofcourse.. heh.. hehehe... heh... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 That made me think, before we get on to wts happening after the betrayal, which legions are squaring off against each other? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 Time for another large post. And this will go in the Traitor thread, too. As it stand right now, I see the Icarion Insurrection taking four phases. Phase 1: Betrayal Icarion opens the war with the first move. Within a few short days, several Loyalist legions are crippled, while Daer'dd pays the ultimate price for his loyalty. The only counter-wound done to Icarion's war effort is the crippling of K'awil, but that doesn't stop him from serving. At this stage, the numbers are incredibly one-sided. The Emperor can only count on 6 Primarchs to defend his Imperium and 7 legions, several of them taking severe casualties from the get go. Icarion's banner holds 9 Primarchs and 9 legions, most of them near full strength and ready to attack. Gwal, weary of war, takes his Wardens of Light back to their home system and simply stays there. Unlike Horus who had to system hop and carefully maintain his initiative, Icarion has enough legion strength to simply began forming his own empire from new conquests. One advantage Icarion has over Horus is that he knows that the Emperor can't leave Terra because of Alexos' first strike against the Terran wards. (Because of this, Alexos won't personally be involved in the Betrayal.) Now, whether or not Icarion focuses on establishing his own rival Imperium or focuses on the attack, it leads to.... Phase 2: Corruption Freed from the Emperor's chains, Alexos dives headfirst into full Chaos worship. Khorne turns his eyes on Raktra and his Berserkers, while Nurgle begins courting Koschei and his Godslayers. The other Chaos gods begin to make their overtures as well. All this Chaos produces chaos in Icarion's ranks. Kozja and the Jade Empire, disgusted by what is happening, grumble and eventually begin secret talks about what they should do. Because despite their reservations, who could stop Icarion? Willym is also put off by the new developments, but keeps to his own counsel. On the Loyalist side, the only objective is survival. Niklaas, Yuchau, Azus, Hecatarion, and Pionus are charged with slowing the Traitor advance, while the Warmaster secures the Imperium from the inside. Niklaas and the Fire Keepers throw up a series of hastily-built fortifications to slow Icarion's planetary conquests. Yuchau the Void Angel launches hit-and-run attacks against the Traitor fleets. Azus the Longshot mirrors his brother on the ground, while the Healer does what he can to keep the Loyalist armies from being devastated, keeping them fit and re-deploying wounded armies away from annihilation. During this time, Hectarion resists Khorne who seeks the Mycenor's soul because of the Bloodthirster shard within him. Gwal's neutrality backfires spectacularly when the Terran half of his legion explodes over his inaction. The system is now in full civil war as Gwal looks on in horror. The Loyalist endure a defeat after defeat, until they score a major victory against the Traitor forces. While it boosts Imperium morale, the true impact of it isn't felt until... Phase 3: Fracture With the recent Loyalist victory, Kozja and the Jade General see their chance to flee. Joined by Morro, they break through the Traitor's left flank, killing K'awil who was assigned there. This leaves the last true Pariah Primarch with the Revolutionaries as they form their own alliance. When word reaches to the rest of the Traitors, Willym decides now it is time for him to leave as well. But, instead of joining the Revolutionaries, the Jackels set sail for the galactic edge, intent on creating their own mini-empire free of everyone. To Icarion's dismay, not only has his forces been dramatically reduced and fighting on several fronts, but now the Loyalist forces are fighting harder. Securing his rear lines, Alexandros moves to the front lines with large detachments of Wardens and human auxiliaries. Yet, this does not remove the Traitors. Their fighting strength is augmented with widespread use of chaos daemons. Kozja plays a delicate balancing game as he takes opportunity strikes against both Loyalist and Traitor. He hopes to force Alexandros to give concessions regarding gene-manipulation and is willing to use underhanded tactics to ensure the Revolutionaries' strong position. For a time, there is a tense balance as the three forces are stalemated by each other. Skirmishes continue throughout, but the stalemate ends when... Phase 4: Endgame In the end, it is the Wardens of Light who tip the balance. Convinced to side with the Loyalists, Gwal joins the Insurrection for the first time. Recognizing his advantage may soon disappear, the Revolutionaries stop attacking as they set up diplomatic talks with the Loyalists. Knowing it is now or never, Icarion gathers his strength and calls on the Chaos gods to help him. The Traitors launch a last-ditch invasion, no longer seeking territorial gains, but going straight for Terra. Alexandros secures the loyalty of Kozja and the Revolutionaries only weeks before Icarion's forces reach the outer edge of the Sol System. Although now Loyalists, none of the Revolutionary legions can mobilize before the Traitors attack Terra. It is on the Throneworld where Alexandros and the Loyalists make their final stand, trying to hold out long enough for the Revolutionaries to arrive and corner the Traitor armies. This does happen, but a last minute gambit by Icarion ends with Alexandros dead, Icarion dead, and the Emperor confined to the Golden Throne. The Traitor legions are devastated as they flee the trap between the Loyalist and the Revolutionaries. The Insurrection is over. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 "Tell them that justice has come for them. Tell them their traitor leader is dead, his legions scattered. Tell them the Lions have been unleashed. And nothing will save them from my wrath". Hectarion Mycenor, Primarch of the Crimson Lions at the start of the Great Scouring. Anyways, now all we need to do is hanmer out the details, such as who fought/betrayed who at the begining etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 Glad you liked it. And I think that was a pretty cool quote. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Thanks. By the time of the scouring, Hectarions gonna be very angry(feeling that he failed the Emperor, failed Dear'dd and faiked Alexandros) so him and the Crimson Lions will be taking a very aggressive role. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Awesome Outline. Just one question: what then? Who will play Guilliman? Just a little bit more. I always like open ends^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 12, 2015 Author Share Posted August 12, 2015 That is a good question. I'm honestly not sure. Daer'dd had popularity, while Alexandros had diplomatic mastery. I don't know who gets the unenviable task of putting the Imperium back together. The Jade General has wisdom, but he honestly won't care. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 And he was some kind of traitor and Gwalchavad took too long. Is there another Diplomat or wise man alive? Or only warriors and the next revolution is only a couple of moments away? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Pretty much there's only warriors left. The first split I see is between the renegade legions(who will probably want to keep their empires) and the "loyal" legions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 So an empire in ashes....could have been worse^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Not sure if I'd be able to write it properly but, just to put it out there, my Primarch, Pionus, is A Scientist before he is a Warrior and was the Leader/Ruler of his own planet which was very much a meritocracy with a Scientific penchant. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Well the real question is would any of the Legions want something something like the Codex Astartes? Why not the loyal legions, 100 demi legions and 1000 chapters to ensure the safety of the Imperium? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Hectarion wouldn'tlike the idea of splitting his legion. However, depending on how much it was supported he might have to. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Also, who would be the one to Write the Codex? Who would it make the most sense for? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted August 12, 2015 Share Posted August 12, 2015 Probably Pionius or Niklaas. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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