Dark_Master Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Hello Brothers I was looking through my IA2 2nd Edition, when I noticed the Infernum Razorback. Basically it's a razorback with a Multimelta (Normal RB + 10pts) The wording for including is "An Inferum Razorback may be taken by any unit that may take a Razorback as a Dedicated Transport choice". Now questions, what are your opinions? 1. Can I take it in a Lions Blade? 2. If part of a Battle company, do you pay points for it? As the Multimelta is not an 'upgrade', it's stated as included Wargear. Or would you pay the 10 points difference from a normal Razorback? Cheers DM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pigshead Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I would say yes to both questions, but as usual check with whoever you play against. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Master Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 I would say yes to both questions, but as usual check with whoever you play against. Yes to paying total points or just 10pts? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 You would have to pay the full price for it. It's a different unit entry from the Razorbacks that you can get for free. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I do not think that you need to pay the difference. It is not an upgrade that you buy. It is included in thd cost. You do not pay the difference between Rhino and Razor either. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Master Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 You would have to pay the full price for it. It's a different unit entry from the Razorbacks that you can get for free. Why? The command benefits section doesn't state it has to be from the codex. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 Why? The command benefits section doesn't state it has to be from the codex. You can have a "Rhino", a "Razorback" or a "Drop Pod". Those are all specific Datasheets. It's not a "Razorback", it's an "Infernum Pattern Razorback". It's a separate, self-contained unit and there's nothing to suggest it counts as a regular Razorback for any other purpose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dark_Master Posted August 30, 2015 Author Share Posted August 30, 2015 But it is a 'counts as' Razorback due the wording in the IA2 2nd Ed. Otherwise you wouldn't be able to use it at all in a Lions Blade. My thinking would be that the 'option' stated in the Command Benefits would in compass the Infernus part and so you would have to pay the extra 10 points. DM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lucien Eilam Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 No it doesn't. What wording? You would still be able to use it in a Lion's Blade as a dedicated transport, that's over and above the listed units, it's just another option available to units. You don't get it for free though, because it' s not specifically mentioned in the list of free transports. i.e. IA2v2 adds it to the unit's options, but not to the Lion's Blade list of transports you can take for free. If a Formation says you can take "A Land Raider, Land Raider Crusader or Land Raider Redeemer", do you assume the first Land Raider means any Land Raider at all, and that they just called out two of the variants on a whim? When they mean "any", they say "any". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaeza94 Posted August 30, 2015 Share Posted August 30, 2015 I would pay the the 10 points, because the multi melta is your "upgrade". The standard predator is called a destructor patter, but you pay for the upgrade to a annihilator, which is las cannons. I don't know the standard razorback pattern name, but the infernum to me just means multi melta upgrade. That is my interpretation, and that's how I would play it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted August 31, 2015 Share Posted August 31, 2015 It's probably fair to pay the ten points...but as the rules are written, you can take it at full price, but you can't get it under the "free transports" thing. Lucien is right, it's like the difference between a deathwing terminator and a deathwing terminator sergeant. If you can get the Infernum under the freebie rule (even at +10 points), then under our old codex, you could give a thunderhammer to your deathwing sergeants, because after all, aren't they deathwing terminators, too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hidicul Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 See I get confused every time you guys talk about the DW sergeant from our old dex. I'm looking at it right now and on page 99 it says "any model can replace all of its weapons for twin lightning claws or a thunder hammer and storm shield" the next option is "any model can replace it's power fist for a chain fist" where are you guys seeing the sergeant can't take weapons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlamingDeth Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 The FAQ they had since the codex came out. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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