simison Posted September 10, 2016 Author Share Posted September 10, 2016 And maximum? Atm I have 1 wargear- 4 units and 2 chars. If the tonfas are added I have 2 - 4 - 2. Too much? Or do we keep pur system of 1-2-3 plus 3 free alots? I haven't changed anything. All I did was repost this info from the Grave Stalker thread so it doesn't get lost. We are still on the 1-2-3 slot system with 3 free slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 This info was missing and created confusion in my mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I'd say we need to be balanced with each other, but also with the canonverse. Otherwise we won't really be able to have friendly games with other people... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 I'd say we need to be balanced with each other, but also with the canonverse. Otherwise we won't really be able to have friendly games with other people... And I believe we are most of the time battling against friendly canonverse legions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Got 2 wargears - 4 units - 3 characters Think that should be enough. Primarchs do count as a char slot, right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grifftofer Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Got 2 wargears - 4 units - 3 characters Think that should be enough. Primarchs do count as a char slot, right? Correct. We Get 1 Primarch, 1 Relic & 2 RoWs in addition to the 9 slots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Oh, ok. Thought that it was primarch + 2 chars Even better than :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Well as it sits right now none of us go over nine, which while slightly above average but isn't terrible or unheard of. And from a looking forward point of view FW said legions will be getting more over time. So I think as it stands we're okay for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Yeah....when I think of the 6 row for the darkangels....if they make a lot more i will have problems coming up with new things^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Demus Ragnok Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Yeah....when I think of the 6 row for the darkangels....if they make a lot more i will have problems coming up with new things^^ I keep seeing this. Has this actually been confirmed by anyone at FW? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 10, 2016 Share Posted September 10, 2016 Not sure where I read it but it was said that every dark angels wing will get their own rite of war amd thst the other legions will get the same treatment. Edit: Okay, not sure but I MIGHT HAVE READ IT IN THE AGE OF DARKNESS BOARD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Well as it sits right now none of us go over nine, which while slightly above average but isn't terrible or unheard of. And from a looking forward point of view FW said legions will be getting more over time. So I think as it stands we're okay for now. I might have gone over, but I'm losing out on two consuls and at least one unit, so I'm kinda balanced out. R.E the wargear numbers, wouldn't the mean shift with the book 6 stuff? DA have about six items alone after all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted September 13, 2016 Share Posted September 13, 2016 Not sure where I read it but it was said that every dark angels wing will get their own rite of war amd thst the other legions will get the same treatment. Edit: Okay, not sure but I MIGHT HAVE READ IT IN THE AGE OF DARKNESS BOARD Seems to be speculation,so far Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted September 18, 2016 Share Posted September 18, 2016 Just a little update for the lists: Andezo takes Coch'ises place as being the 14th to be found Legionsize 130.000 Astartes Size at the beginning of the Insurrection: 120.000 loyalists, 10.000 traitor (Bloodlords) Size at the end of the Insurrection: about 20-30.000 traitors scattered into several renegade warbands (greatest bunch is led by Inzinduna Shaka), about 5-10.000 loyalists (led by Inzinduna Thoruk) Legion ceases to exist as the loyalists hide themselves for a couple of years, fearing consequences because of the Legions betrayal, reemerge as a blackshield force known as Storm Blades and the traitors abandon their heritage, choosing their own paths Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted September 22, 2016 Author Share Posted September 22, 2016 Updated all except the state of the end Insurrection for the Predators. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 22, 2016 Share Posted September 22, 2016 By the way. On the legiim size is a error. Who or what is the jadelegio.? And you forgot the warriors of peace^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 By the way. On the legiim size is a error. Who or what is the jadelegio.? And you forgot the warriors of peace^^ Who's the warrios of peace's primarch... (this might be irony, my brain is starting to crack...) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 The Jade General Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 The Jade General Yes, I know, Mikhal was just saying that he didn't know what the "jade legion" was, and that they'd forgotten the warriors of peace. Only, they are one and the same no? As I said, my brain is currently breaking... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 The Jade General Yes, I know, Mikhal was just saying that he didn't know what the "jade legion" was, and that they'd forgotten the warriors of peace. Only, they are one and the same no? As I said, my brain is currently breaking... The Warriors of Peace are indeed the Jade General's legion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted September 23, 2016 Share Posted September 23, 2016 Oh c'mon guys. Of course that was irony. Hence the naming of both, jade legion and warriors of peace to underline it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted December 18, 2017 Author Share Posted December 18, 2017 For future reference: Word Count of Exemplary Battles chapter by Legion: Grave Stalkers: 3,300 words Iron Bears: 2,800 words Godslayers: 3,500 words Scions Hospitalier: 2,600 words Drowned: 3,600 words Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted March 31, 2018 Author Share Posted March 31, 2018 Following up on my legion growth test, I'm pouring my thoughts into creating a system to calculate geneseed stability and adaptability. The ideal stability rate is 100%. This means every time geneseed is implanted, it takes. This doesn't happen. Standard stability is closer to 70%. In addition to standard issues in of themselves, there's a penalty for having any inclination toward either psyker or pariah natures. Example: Halcyon Warden geneseed is noted for its high stability. Placing it at 80%. However, it has a 20% chance of turning a mundane into a psyker which translates into a 10% penalty to stability, dropping overall stability to 70%. The Grave Stalkers' geneseed has a 100% chance of creating a pariah. Thus, dropping their stability rate by 50% from 70% to 20%. Additionally, GS geneseed has its own complications, further reducing them to 10%. All of this affects the Alpha intake, which begins with a pool of 5,000 aspirants. Multiply this by geneseed stability to figure out where your legion starts at. The Halcyon Wardens initial rate of 70% multiplied with 5,000 leads to a foundation of 3,500 marines. Whereas the Grave Stalkers have the painful multiplication of 5,000 times 10% for a small 500. So, where does everyone start at? Initial Geneseed Stability & Alpha Intake I: 65%/3,250 marines II: III: 50%/2,500 marines IV: 70%/3,500 marines V: 70%/ 3,500 marines VI: 90%/2250 marines (Halved due to slower geneseed maturation) VII: 70%/3,500 marines VIII: 60%/ 3,000 marines IX: 40%/2,000 marines X: 80%/4,000 marines XI: XII: 60%/3,000 marines XIII: 60%/3,000 marines XIV: 60%/3,000 marines XV: 10%/ 500 marines XVI: 70%/3,500 marines (reduced to 500 marines after Neptune) XVII: 45%/2,250 marines XVIII: 40%/2,000 marines XIX: 90%/4,500 marines XX: 70%/3,500 marines ~~~ And because I can't stop. Other factors affecting legion growth: recruitment base and combat doctrine. Recruitment base is denoted by: wide, balanced, narrow. Note, wide can mean a stellar empire or simply press-ganging every poor soul the legion comes across (a la World Eaters). Narrow can mean recruiting from a single planet for the entire legion. [Note, most Legions are "Narrow" when it comes to Recruitment since everyone is just using Terran tithe rights at this stage.] Combat Doctrine in this case is defined as: aggressive, balanced, defensive. This is to be understood in the context of willingness to sacrifice life for victory. The Void Eagles obviously don't care about collateral damage, while the Halcyon Wardens are extremely aware of the human cost. Wide & Defensive each add positive 100 marine per year (mpy) modifier Narrow & Aggressive each subtract 100 mpy. Note: if your Legion isn't affected by your Primarch's Discovery, feel free to skip this stage. Pre-Primarch Marines Per Year, Combat Doctrine and Recruitment Base I: 550 mpy/Narrow & Balanced II: III: 300 mpy/Narrow & Aggressive IV: 600 mpy/Narrow & Balanced V: 500 mpy/Narrow & Aggressive VI: 350 mpy/Narrow & Aggressive VII: 700 mpy/Narrow & Defensive VIII: 400 mpy/Narrow & Aggressive IX: 300 mpy/Narrow & Balanced X: 700 mpy/Narrow & Balanced XI: XII: 400 mpy/Narrow & Aggressive XIII: 500 mpy/Narrow & Balanced XIV: 600 mpy/Narrow & Defensive XV: 100 mpy/Narrow & Defensive XVI: 600 mpy/Narrow & Balanced XVII: 350 mpy/Narrow & Balanced XVIII: 200 mpy/Narrow & Aggressive XIX: 700 mpy/Narrow & Aggressive XX: 500 mpy/Narrow & Aggressive ~~~ Primarchs can have a tremendous impact on a legion. Here is a section for those willing to calculate the math. Discovery dates are on the first page of the General Discussion thread. A Primarch found halves the mundane penalty rate. So, the HW mundane penalty of 20% is divided in half, bringing their overall rate back up to 80%. Meanwhile the GS only enjoy a boost of 5%, bringing them up to 15%. This all leads to hard numbers for a general idea of growth and legion size by Primarch discovery. Standard legion growth is 700 marines per year at 70% geneseed stability. Each difference of 10% translates into 100 marine difference per year. Additional rating for recruitment base: 'Empire', increases mpy by 200. Improved geneseed stability, Primarch Reforms and numbers at Primarch Discovery I: 70%/Empire & Balanced/6,000 marines II: III: 75%/Empire & Aggressive/28,900 marines IV: 85%/Wide & Aggressive/83,300 marines V: 80%/Empire & Defensive/20,900 marines VI: 95%/Empire & Aggressive/21,500 marines VII: 85%/Balanced & Aggressive/85,400 marines VIII: 75%/Balanced & Aggressive/43,000 marines IX: 80%/Wide & Defensive/21,500 marines X: 90%/Empire & Balanced/48,100 marines XI: 80%/Narrow & Balanced/19,400 marines XII: 65%/Narrow & Defensive/49,800 marines XIII: 75%/Narrow & Aggressive/54,000 marines XIV: 80%/Narrow & Defensive/68,400 marines XV: 15%/Narrow & Defensive/14,700 marines XVI: 85%/Balanced & Balanced/56,900 marines XVII: 80%/Narrow & Balanced/63,150 marines XVIII: 80%/Narrow & Defensive/19,400 marines XIX: 95%/Balanced & Defensive/54,900 marines XX: 85%/Narrow & Aggressive/57,000 marines ~~~~ This all leads to hard numbers for Post-Primarch growth and DoR legion size. Standard legion growth is 700 marines per year at 70% geneseed stability. Each difference of 10% translates into 100 marine difference per year. For number of years, subtract total Great Crusade length (231 years/031) from Primarch Discovery year. Example: Alexandros is found in 829. 1031- 829 = 202 years. Once you have the number of marines from Primarch Discovery to DoR, add in the legion size upon Primarch Discovery. (AKA, the legion size right above.) Final MPY & DoR Legion Size I: 900 mpy/209,400 marines II: III: 850 mpy/150,450 marines IV: 850 mpy/166,600 marines V: 1,100 mpy/243,100 marines VI: 525 mpy/113,900 marines VII: 750 mpy/170,900 marines (Includes both Shepherds & Berserkers) VIII: 650 mpy/128,150 marines IX: 1,100 mpy/197,500 marines X: 900 mpy/199,300 marines XI: XII: 600 mpy/118,200 marines XIII: 550 mpy/124,950 marines XIV: 800 mpy/ 166,000 marines XV: 150 mpy/27,300 marines XVI: 850 mpy/173,350 marines XVII: 700 mpy/103,050 marines XVIII: 800 mpy/134,600 marines XIX: 1,150 mpy/237,750 marines XX: 650 mpy/133,050 marines Keep in mind, these are just base estimates and not final tallies. War is much more chaotic than this. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted July 31, 2018 Author Share Posted July 31, 2018 Something about the Scions' heroes caught my eye and spurred a question. Unique weapon = Unique name & additional special rules/changes besides adding 'Master-Crafted' Officer Type = Praetor, Centurion, or Sergeant Canon Unique Weapons & Officer Type SoH Abaddon - No - Praetor Loken - No - Praetor Maloghurst - No - Centurion? Marr - Yes - Praetor WE Darr - No - Centurion Khârn - Yes - Praetor Surlak - No (MC Needle Pistol) - Centurion Haar - No (MC Fist) - Praetor EC Tarvitz - Yes - Praetor Eidolon - No (MC Hammer) - Praetor Rylanor - No - Dreadnought DG Morturg - No - Centurion Rask - No - Praetor Typhon - No (MC Scythe) - Praetor IH Orth - No - Centurion Mor - No - Praetor Shadrak - Yes - Praetor NL Llansahai - Yes - Centurion Sevetar - No - Praetor Ophion - No (unique armor) - Praetor Sal Dracos - No - Dreadnought Rhy'tan - Yes - Praetor Jurr - No (MC Maul/unique armour) - Centurion WB Erebus - No (MC Maul) - Praetor Kor - No - Centurion IW Golg - No - Praetor Vhalen - No - Praetor Narik - No (MC pistol) - Centurion AL Dynat - No (Multiple CC weapons) - Praetor Exodus - Yes - Centurion Skorr - No (MC axe) - Centurion IF Sigismund - Yes - Praetor Polux - No - Praetor RG Maun - No - Centurion Nex - Yes - Centurioin UM Telemarchus - No - Dreadnought Ventanus - No - Praetor TS Amon - No (MC Force Sword) - Praetor Ahriman - No (MC Force Axe) - Praetor SW Fell-Hand - Yes - Praetor Red-Blade - Yes - Praetor BOTL Unique Weapons HB Raiden - Yes - Praetor Empyon - Yes - Praetor Goro - No - Centurion IB Redd - Yes - Praetor GY Volkov - Yes - Praetor Alexander - No - Praetor GS Manik - No - Dreadnought Xtaaby - No - Centurion Ajaway - No - Praetor DW Boraeo - No - Praetor Hennasohn - Yes - Praetor SH Inna - No - Centurion Antonidas - Yes - Praetor Metis - Yes - Praetor We are one short from matching the number of unique weapons wielded in canon with half the number of the legions. I am concerned with this trend. In my brief survey, many officers instead have master-crafted versions of standard weapons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted August 1, 2018 Share Posted August 1, 2018 Adewale of the XXth Legion wields Umbralion, the Legion's specific artifact (if you want to call it like that). A spear with teleportation capabilities and expandable blades when hitting its prey (for the splatter effect) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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