Snuggatron Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 So I've gotten a new job, and with it new money, so I've decided to treat myself to some FW and go ahead with ordering Vulkan and the Crusade Legion Codices so I can get to work on building this: + HQ + Legion Centurion [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon] ····Consul [Primus Medicae] Legion Praetor [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon, Dragonscale Storm Shield, Iron Halo, Mantle of the Elder Drake, Master of the Legion, Mastercraft a Single Weapon, Paragon Blade] + Troops + Legion Breacher Siege Squad [2x Flamer, 9x Legion Breacher Siege Space Marines] ····Legion Breacher Siege Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Artificer Weapons, Combi-weapon] Legion Tactical Squad [19x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Artificer Weapons, Combi-Weapon] Legion Tactical Squad [19x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Artificer Weapons, Combi-Weapon] + Elites + Apothecarion Detachment ····Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner] ····Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner] Contemptor-Mortis Dreadnought [Two Kheres Pattern Assault Cannons] Firedrake Terminator Squad [4x Dragonscale Storm Shield, 4x Firedrakes, 4x Thunder Hammer] ····Firedrake Master [Dragonscale Storm Shield, Master-crafted Thunder Hammer] ····Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield, Twin-linked Heavy Flamer] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery ····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Graviton Cannon] ····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Graviton Cannon] ····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Graviton Cannon] + Heavy Support + Legion Sicaran Battle Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Lascannons] + Legion + Legion Astartes [XVIII: Salamanders] + Lord of War + Vulkan [Primarch] ····Master of the Legion [The Covenant of Fire] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Well, if you're going for DAT FLUFF, fair enough on the selections. Only thing to be cognizant of when you play a game is that your Spartan will be a VEEEEEERY high Priority Target :p Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuggatron Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 Well, if you're going for DAT FLUFF, fair enough on the selections. Only thing to be cognizant of when you play a game is that your Spartan will be a VEEEEEERY high Priority Target Out of curiosity, how would you change the list up to make it more competitive? I honestly don't know how 30k games normally play out so the input is very welcome =D I was hoping the armoured ceramite would somewhat alleviate the risks of the Spartan becoming a fireworks show. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Ceramite is a good start but the Flare Shield on top of that makes it that much harder to kill and is pretty much mandatory if you plan on running a Spartan Borne Deathunit. First is, you'd get some Anti-Air, Probably a Deredeo, a Mortis Box Dread at the least. Probably cut the Tac Squads down to 10 in Rhinos. Big blobs are nice, sure, but that big blob eating an S10 Template from a Typhon or Medusa makes them disappear real fast and mean that the points you invested into an Apothecary for FNP were kinda wasted. If you know that S8+ Blasts / Massed Shots aren't prevalent in your area, then run with the 20man Blobs. I'd also at least get Artificer armor on your Sarge to tank Non-Ap2 Shots. Swap the Preator for a Forge Lord Consul and make your Existing Consul a Primus Medicae with the same gear. With Vulkan around, you dont need a Praetor since their main draw is Master of the Legion. Depending on what your local area looks like, A minimum of 3 Grav Cannon Rapiers to counter any Spartan since they're Haywire Shots and get around the Flare Shield and Armored Ceramite. Next would be getting more Anti-Tank. A single Sicaran and Spartan wont kill much and are pretty big targets themselves. Alongside a Normal Deredeo you could add another Sicaran, Venator or more Rapiers, probably Thudd Guns for more general purpose firepower. Also, as more General Advice, Primarchs who are, at cheapest, 380pts, isn't really that strong of a choice, imo, in sub 3k Point Games. Essentially you're building a 2k List to go up against 2.5k and those 500 points can usually means more firepower, the best example being a Typhon who, unlike a Primarch, will be dishing out S10 Ap1 7" Ignores Cover Templates. Couple that with ~1k Points of your army just in Vulka+HQ+Firedrakes+Spartan, it doesnt leave you with much to work with to make your list capable of dealing with multiple threats. Additionally, if your opponent were to take out your Spartan which your whole lists survival relies on, then they're stuck Footslogging it and eating gunfire. If you did prop the list up to 3k, it would give you a lot more room to breathe since it would let you build a Strong 2k List then just slap the 1k Deathmobile into it. Against a list thats ready to deal with and take out a Spartan ASAP, you'll struggle to actually do anything since so much is invested into it actually doing its job and unloading the occupants in your enemies lines. Thing to keep in mind is that, the more competitive a list, the more generic it will get. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuggatron Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 All very good ideas, I was thinking of bumping it up to 3k for the exact reasons you mentioned, and sorry I forgot to mention the consul was a Medicae. The local meta where I'm from is pretty nonexistent (for 30k), I would be the 4th one to start a force, so the odds are i'd be playing the list into more 40k forces than anything (unless this rumored HH plastics box bumps up the local hype for heresy gaming). I'll get to work on a version 2.0, I'm not too upset about the point increase, it just means more shinys to paint and play with. Edit: just read the Sallies RoW rules, can only take 1 Consul, so no Forge Lord. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuggatron Posted September 2, 2015 Author Share Posted September 2, 2015 Here's an edited 3k list, still trying to keep it fluffy-ish so the Marines are all on foot (though that really has nothing to do with fluff, mostly just preference). Added in some bleachers for the cool models and to serve as an escort/ bodyguard for the 2 Grav Rapiers, as well as a Deredeo Dread for anti- air and armour. Only issue being I have 55 points left to use 0.o. + HQ + Legion Centurion [Cataphractii Terminator Armour with Combi-bolter and Power Weapon] ····Consul [Primus Medicae] + Troops + Legion Breacher Siege Squad [2x Flamer, 9x Legion Breacher Siege Space Marines] ····Legion Breacher Siege Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-weapon] Legion Tactical Squad [19x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-Weapon] Legion Tactical Squad [19x Legion Tactical Space Marines, Legion Vexilla] ····Legion Tactical Sergeant [Artificer Armour, Combi-Weapon] + Elites + Apothecarion Detachment ····Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Power Sword] ····Legion Apothecary [Artificer Armour, Augury Scanner, Power Sword] Contemptor Dreadnought Talon ····Legion Contemptor Dreadnought [Heavy Flamer, Kheres Pattern Assault Cannon] Firedrake Terminator Squad [4x Dragonscale Storm Shield, 4x Firedrakes, 4x Thunder Hammer] ····Firedrake Master [Dragonscale Storm Shield, Master-crafted Thunder Hammer] ····Legion Spartan Assault Tank [Armoured Ceramite, Flare Shield, Twin-linked Heavy Flamer] Legion Rapier Weapons Battery ····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Graviton Cannon] ····Legion Rapier Weapons Battery [Graviton Cannon] + Heavy Support + Deredeo Pattern Dreadnought [Aiolos Missile Launcher] Legion Sicaran Battle Tank [Lascannons] + Legion + Legion Astartes [XVIII: Salamanders] + Lord of War + Vulkan [Primarch] ····Master of the Legion [The Covenant of Fire] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 2, 2015 Share Posted September 2, 2015 Well, the only problem now, is that a Primus Medicae is a Support Officer and can't be a compulsory HQ Selection which you still need. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuggatron Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 I dropped the breachers and put in another graviton gun and the loaded out Praetor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 You dont necessarily have to use a Preator. Most consuls are valid Compulsory HQ selections. Only the Librarian, Primus Medicae, Master Of Signal and Praevian are support officers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuggatron Posted September 3, 2015 Author Share Posted September 3, 2015 So after looking over the rules I remembered that in order to use the Salamanders RoW you can only have one consul, which in this case is the Primus Medicae. Im playing Salamanders mainly due to their insane resilience and how it matches up to the way I enjoy gaming so it's no skin off my back to have to take the super tanky praetor in stead of another consul of any kind (none of in which I found that fitting to the list thematically). Edit: original list edited to most recent version. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 3, 2015 Share Posted September 3, 2015 Fair enough then Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snuggatron Posted September 6, 2015 Author Share Posted September 6, 2015 I almost forgot to thank you for all the help Slipstreams, you gave me a lot to think about, so Ty :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted September 6, 2015 Share Posted September 6, 2015 No Problem. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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