Sigismund229 Posted January 18, 2017 Author Share Posted January 18, 2017 As far as I remember, yhe Void Eagles aren't involved Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 18, 2017 Share Posted January 18, 2017 Yeah, I ascertained that yesterday but it didn't post. Does the Externatis procedure read right? Can add more ships hitting with lances. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Nah, they're Nova class weapons, even a "small" Nova shell is moving at near light speed and one shell could devaste a large continent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 So full broadsides along a fault line should be a solid planet-death Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 Exterminatus? When was that added? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 Pretty much since the beginning, several members wanted the Star to go Nova originally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted January 19, 2017 Author Share Posted January 19, 2017 We did away with that idea didn't we? Instead the world gets reduced to rubble by Stalingrad esc city fighting and then the Warbringers&co. make a truce with the loyalists and leave Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted January 19, 2017 Share Posted January 19, 2017 I think we came to the agreement that after the year or more absolute hell planet side that the Loyalists glass the planet to deny the traitors another large forge world; so it ends up being a phyrric victory at best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I figured the Abaddon story had made it canon. As a personal preference, I like the element of this being perhaps the first time the Imperium is forced to call Exterminatus on its own because of a hopeless military situation. Also, it's more Grimdark than a truce. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted January 20, 2017 Author Share Posted January 20, 2017 I figured the Abaddon story had made it canon. As a personal preference, I like the element of this being perhaps the first time the Imperium is forced to call Exterminatus on its own because of a hopeless military situation. Also, it's more Grimdark than a truce. That was precisely why we went for a truce, to show one last point of light amidst all the grimdark. Besides, after 1 year there'll be nothing worth fighting over left, so why use an exterminatus? You're not denying the enemy anything. And how do the remnants of battlefleet Iyacrax stay in orbit long enough to use an exterminatus when the world ks blockaded by most of the Warbringers fleet? Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 The initial fleets retreat and then blunt made the suggestion of a larger Bears reinforcement and Imperial army support force, which would have The Dragon at it's head. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 A Forge World could easily contain archeotech hidden away beneath its surface. While the world itself might be wrecked, those could still be worth the effort to destroy. The idea of letting enemies escape doesn't really seem right to me, in a Heresy/Insurrection context. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I suggest a couple of fleets arrive over the course of the conflict. The final one arriving with a mission to extract what they can and salt the earth. If nothing else, that's more of an Eastern Front scenario. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 20, 2017 Share Posted January 20, 2017 I don't remember the Void Eagles being involved, though the number of times the roster has changed for this specific battle is pretty confusing. If they are indeed there, lieutenant Havieux is their commander. Warbringers-wise, Kozja is in charge and Perkenas is present, as is Asaev if you wish to use him. I missed this. Cool beans, was thinking we should give Perkenas a victory in a duel at some point. Plus Asaev could give us a window into Kozja's ruthlessness in conducting a withdrawal, once the Loyalists' intent becomes clear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted January 25, 2017 Author Share Posted January 25, 2017 It's just occured to me that this is good place to display the Bears smithing skills, repairing tanks and such meaning the loyalists can hold out longer without supplies under siege Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 (edited) Indeed. Also both sides salvaging armour from their enemies. Less Spoila Optima than plain necessity Edited January 25, 2017 by bluntblade Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 After examining the strategic dispositions of the Insurrectionists and loyalists following the Day of Revelation, simison has found that Nox would be isolated from the rest of the Imperium and would be too big a target to miss for Icarion - what would people here think about moving the Battle of the Forge to Nox instead of Iyacrax ? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 Works for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 29, 2018 Share Posted October 29, 2018 I'd be inclined to have Nox blockaded and keep Iyacrax Sigismund229 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 After examining the strategic dispositions of the Insurrectionists and loyalists following the Day of Revelation, simison has found that Nox would be isolated from the rest of the Imperium and would be too big a target to miss for Icarion - what would people here think about moving the Battle of the Forge to Nox instead of Iyacrax ? I would like to expand on this. To be more accurate, the proposal is to replace the Battle of Caelina with the Battle of Nox instead. Both are Forge Worlds, but Nox has more meaning to the overall meta. As established, earlier, Icarion is intent on creating a counter-Imperium to defeat the Imperium, which requires seizing most of Segmentum Ultima. Nox is located not that far to the south (relatively speaking), and represents a serious source of resistance and disruption to Icarion's empire. Given Icarion's need for functioning Forge Worlds to supply his new armies, I suggest that Icarion can not ignore Nox and must either conquer it or eliminate it as a threat. On a meta level, having the final book of Expansion functions as a better book end since the trilogy starts in Mars. It shows that our new Mechanicum faction does not simply gain more and more power and prestige without suffering a cost for their Loyalty. Since this is the mini-book we want to introduce the Wardens of Light, this makes for a stronger introduction since the Wardens are already affiliated with the Abyssii, adding more narrative weight to the battle. As such, I am in favor of replacing Caelina with Nox. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted October 30, 2018 Share Posted October 30, 2018 I like that. The Abyssii would still be allies the Wardens aren't comfortable with, and it saves the VE to make their big entrance with Foleith in Book 3 :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 There's been talk of swapping out Iyacrax for Ryza - now, having had a day or two to think about it, I'd prefer to keep Iyacrax as it gives us much greater freedom with regard to its geography and ruling cult. We originally had the Stygian Jackals involved in this fight; have we replaced them yet, and if not could I suggest a force of Godslayers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted April 21, 2019 Share Posted April 21, 2019 The way I'd understood it was that we wanted to use the name "battle of the forge" for a larger better known Forge World, but that we could keep the Battle of Iyacrax under a different name - I'd understood (though admittedly I didn't check) that Redd wanted to just use the name for Ryza I also like what we have for Iyacrax but am not wedded to the name WRT Jackals->Godslayers... I must admit I couldn't remember the Jackals being there. Weren't we putting some Harbingers on the insurrectionist side? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted April 22, 2019 Share Posted April 22, 2019 Tbh I figure Mars would take that title, but as long as Iyacrax can still host a campaign in Book 2 or 3 I'm happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted April 23, 2019 Share Posted April 23, 2019 (edited) There were some Harbingers involved, but I'm inclined to remove them. They've since been given the core of Expansion to show off in, and I'd rather the focus be on Kozja and other forces we've seen less of at this stage. Jackals were definitely somewhere in the mix. That aside, I'm thinking background fo Iyacrax could include the later Rangdan Xenocides and/or the Qarith Crusade. Thoughts? Edited April 23, 2019 by bluntblade Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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