Lunar Centurion Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 In Prospero Burns (I think that was it), one of the characters says that each Primarch had a role, and Russ was the executioner. I think Horus was the general, Sanguinius either the mascot (I don't know a better word) or new Emperor, Dorn the Castellan, Perturabo the siegemaster, Guillaman the tactician, and Alpharius the spy. What do you guys think the others were? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 This is kind of a hot topic. No Primarch was born with a role. They simply fell into them through experiences during the Great Crusade. Russ even admits in Wolf King he was not the Executioner, that was an identity he created. For instance, the IV Legion and Perturabo were not meant to be siege specialists from birth. It just so happened they ended up fighting sieges enough it became their specialty, then their identity. Perturabo wanted to design architecture and build grand cities. He was a man of science, forced into his role. DarKnight, Loquille, Excessus and 4 others 7 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 In Prospero Burns (I think that was it), one of the characters says that each Primarch had a role, and Russ was the executioner. I think Horus was the general, Sanguinius either the mascot (I don't know a better word) or new Emperor, Dorn the Castellan, Perturabo the siegemaster, Guillaman the tactician, and Alpharius the spy. What do you guys think the others were? Mortarion was essentially the Infantryman. Ferrus was the Master of War Lorgar was the Scholar, although this was supposed to be a role in enlightening people to the imperial truth more than the Emperor being a God and all that. Magnus was the Psyker Corax was the Assassin or Scout if you wish to go further, you could switch this around with the Alpha Legion too. Angron was the Warhound Curze was the Justice bringer, really turned out great. Vulkan was the.. Babysitter I suppose. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 I'd say Konrad Cruze is the enforcer/hand of vengeance. Even before he was reunited with his legion, the Night Lords were known for brutally putting down revolts in some of the most gruesome ways possible to make an example of those who would turn their backs on the emperor. Logar is the orator/preacher. He and his legion spread the word of the Imperial Truth and crush anyone who would dare deny the superiority of the Imperial Truth, at least until they turned to chaos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 In Prospero Burns (I think that was it), one of the characters says that each Primarch had a role, and Russ was the executioner. I think Horus was the general, Sanguinius either the mascot (I don't know a better word) or new Emperor, Dorn the Castellan, Perturabo the siegemaster, Guillaman the tactician, and Alpharius the spy. What do you guys think the others were? Mortarion was essentially the Infantryman. Ferrus was the Master of War Lorgar was the Scholar, although this was supposed to be a role in enlightening people to the imperial truth more than the Emperor being a God and all that. Magnus was the Psyker Corax was the Assassin or Scout if you wish to go further, you could switch this around with the Alpha Legion too. Angron was the Warhound Curze was the Justice bringer, really turned out great. Vulkan was the.. Babysitter I suppose. Don't confuse them becoming those things as the Emperor wanting them to be those things. The Emperor didn't want anything but generals. What he got were 18 confused demigods unsure of their role in the universe. Trevak Dal and Xenith 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 (edited) In Prospero Burns (I think that was it), one of the characters says that each Primarch had a role, and Russ was the executioner. I think Horus was the general, Sanguinius either the mascot (I don't know a better word) or new Emperor, Dorn the Castellan, Perturabo the siegemaster, Guillaman the tactician, and Alpharius the spy. What do you guys think the others were? Mortarion was essentially the Infantryman. Ferrus was the Master of War Lorgar was the Scholar, although this was supposed to be a role in enlightening people to the imperial truth more than the Emperor being a God and all that. Magnus was the Psyker Corax was the Assassin or Scout if you wish to go further, you could switch this around with the Alpha Legion too. Angron was the Warhound Curze was the Justice bringer, really turned out great. Vulkan was the.. Babysitter I suppose. Don't confuse them becoming those things as the Emperor wanting them to be those things. The Emperor didn't want anything but generals. What he got were 18 confused demigods unsure of their role in the universe. I am not confusing them with what the Emperor wanted, I am saying what roles they fell into. That is essentially what the post is about, after all, Prospero Burns was after all the Primarchs were found! Also I believe that he must have been at least a little bit happy with there roles, he did not really do much to change it. Bar Magnus and possibly Curze and Angron if there was more time before the Heresy started. Edited October 28, 2015 by Cthonia Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corswain Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Too many conflicting examples. One book says yes, another no. Maybe its all the lies of the Chaos Gods. From memory Magnus was meant to be imprisoned on the golden throne. I do think FW are giving the Legions some pretty defined roles, the suitability of their Primarchs to those roles is questionable. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 In Prospero Burns (I think that was it), one of the characters says that each Primarch had a role, and Russ was the executioner. I think Horus was the general, Sanguinius either the mascot (I don't know a better word) or new Emperor, Dorn the Castellan, Perturabo the siegemaster, Guillaman the tactician, and Alpharius the spy. What do you guys think the others were? Mortarion was essentially the Infantryman. Ferrus was the Master of War Lorgar was the Scholar, although this was supposed to be a role in enlightening people to the imperial truth more than the Emperor being a God and all that. Magnus was the Psyker Corax was the Assassin or Scout if you wish to go further, you could switch this around with the Alpha Legion too. Angron was the Warhound Curze was the Justice bringer, really turned out great. Vulkan was the.. Babysitter I suppose. Don't confuse them becoming those things as the Emperor wanting them to be those things. The Emperor didn't want anything but generals. What he got were 18 confused demigods unsure of their role in the universe. I am not confusing them with what the Emperor wanted, I am saying what roles they fell into. That is essentially what the post is about, after all, Prospero Burns was after all the Primarchs were found! Prosper Burns is not gospel. The Primarchs had no roles whatsoever. They chose roles for themselves, the OP asked if the Emperor designed their roles, and the simple fact is he did not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 In Prospero Burns (I think that was it), one of the characters says that each Primarch had a role, and Russ was the executioner. I think Horus was the general, Sanguinius either the mascot (I don't know a better word) or new Emperor, Dorn the Castellan, Perturabo the siegemaster, Guillaman the tactician, and Alpharius the spy. What do you guys think the others were? Mortarion was essentially the Infantryman. Ferrus was the Master of War Lorgar was the Scholar, although this was supposed to be a role in enlightening people to the imperial truth more than the Emperor being a God and all that. Magnus was the Psyker Corax was the Assassin or Scout if you wish to go further, you could switch this around with the Alpha Legion too. Angron was the Warhound Curze was the Justice bringer, really turned out great. Vulkan was the.. Babysitter I suppose. Don't confuse them becoming those things as the Emperor wanting them to be those things. The Emperor didn't want anything but generals. What he got were 18 confused demigods unsure of their role in the universe. I am not confusing them with what the Emperor wanted, I am saying what roles they fell into. That is essentially what the post is about, after all, Prospero Burns was after all the Primarchs were found! Prosper Burns is not gospel. The Primarchs had no roles whatsoever. They chose roles for themselves, the OP asked if the Emperor designed their roles, and the simple fact is he did not. You said they chose roles for themselves, so they did have roles. Read Op's post, in no where did he state what roles do you think the Emperor chose. He only stated a CHARACTER in the book was talking about the roles of the Primarchs. I also did not say It was Gospel, only it was after all the Primarchs were found and they sat in their roles. CyderPirate 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Just because I choose to say I'm a unicorn doesn't make me a unicorn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lunar Centurion Posted October 28, 2015 Author Share Posted October 28, 2015 I never asked if the Emperor decided the roles, I just asked what the people of the B&C thought they were. Thanks for the info Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 Just because I choose to say I'm a unicorn doesn't make me a unicorn. But The thing is, most of these Primarchs have been quite clearly set in what role they have ala Guilliman and Horus. Just because the Emperor (who by the way we have not even had much interaction with yet and could still clear this up) has not confirmed the role, it does not make them any less sound. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 The only one that i am not sure on is the Lion, he seems to be another version of the Horus by what I have read on him. A jack of all trades, excellent in all fields. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 28, 2015 Share Posted October 28, 2015 The only one that i am not sure on is the Lion, he seems to be another version of the Horus by what I have read on him. A jack of all trades, excellent in all fields. The Lion was created to kick butt and chew bubble gum. But due to the machinations of the Alpha Legion, the galaxy is short on bubble gum reserves. CyderPirate, DarKnight and Corswain 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 The only one that i am not sure on is the Lion, he seems to be another version of the Horus by what I have read on him. A jack of all trades, excellent in all fields. The Lion was created to kick butt and chew bubble gum. But due to the machinations of the Alpha Legion, the galaxy is short on bubble gum reserves. Remember that one time when the Lion entered that currency manufactorum and killed all those Eldar? The Lion sure does hate those pesky Eldar! depthcharge12 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 As has been explained, the Emperor didn't create the Primarchs for any specific role. However, their upbringing on their respective adoptive worlds shaped what they were to become after rejoining the Imperium, at which point their Legion followed their example (willingly or otherwise). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 My point is largely that the role each primarch has depends entirely on the viewpoint of the player. For instance, I see Russ as the Emperor's 'Varangian Guardian', not his executioner. He exists to protect the body of the Emperor. Dorn is his Shield, Sanguinius his Sword. Horus is his Spear/Delegate. It depends on the player. There is no right or wrong answer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Well to a point. I would argue that anyone calling Angron the Emperor's diplomat is pretty wrong. Calas Typhon 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 Well to a point. I would argue that anyone calling Angron the Emperor's diplomat is pretty wrong. Thus why its all subjective. Angora represents the worst of Imperial policy, so it could be said he represents the 'true' Imperium, enslavement and service. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 My point is largely that the role each primarch has depends entirely on the viewpoint of the player. For instance, I see Russ as the Emperor's 'Varangian Guardian', not his executioner. He exists to protect the body of the Emperor. Dorn is his Shield, Sanguinius his Sword. Horus is his Spear/Delegate. It depends on the player. There is no right or wrong answer. Which was the point of the thread in the first place and my post that followed, I am sure OP wanted to know our views on the matter. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black_out Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I think I'd actually go a step further than the vigilante/avenger that Curze is normally portrayed as and say he became the primarch without conscience, doing the horrible things that any other couldn't or wouldn't do themselves and therefore keeping their morals and hands clean. I think this really feeds into his mental fragility, knowing he's done such horrible things but always for the "greater good". As for Russ being executioner, I see it as a role he was forced into than one he chose, though I'm not sure he minds. The Lion, Horus and Guilliman, in my eyes, all fit the universal "natural tactician/leader" role but all in completely different ways. Corax as the scout/infiltrator. Mortarion as the rank & file soldier. Perturabo as the siege specialist. Dorn as the architect/fortress builder. Yanno...the basic generalizations we've held those Primarchs to for years... Sanguinius is an odd one but MAYBE as an example to all the others of perfection, while himself being deeply flawed? Same for Fulgrim perhaps? These are just my musings, I've rambled enough. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Rohr Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 My point is largely that the role each primarch has depends entirely on the viewpoint of the player. For instance, I see Russ as the Emperor's 'Varangian Guardian', not his executioner. He exists to protect the body of the Emperor. Dorn is his Shield, Sanguinius his Sword. Horus is his Spear/Delegate. It depends on the player. There is no right or wrong answer. Which was the point of the thread in the first place and my post that followed, I am sure OP wanted to know our views on the matter. Yes, but its ultimately a fire cracker in the wrong hands because it'll devolve into arguments over which legion is best. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Calas Typhon Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 My point is largely that the role each primarch has depends entirely on the viewpoint of the player. For instance, I see Russ as the Emperor's 'Varangian Guardian', not his executioner. He exists to protect the body of the Emperor. Dorn is his Shield, Sanguinius his Sword. Horus is his Spear/Delegate. It depends on the player. There is no right or wrong answer. Which was the point of the thread in the first place and my post that followed, I am sure OP wanted to know our views on the matter. Yes, but its ultimately a fire cracker in the wrong hands because it'll devolve into arguments over which legion is best. As much as that happens, it is irrelevant to what OP asked. Last post from me on the topic. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Conn Eremon Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 (edited) Edit: Should have read the OP myself, sorry! :sweat: Edited October 29, 2015 by Conn Eremon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
depthcharge12 Posted October 29, 2015 Share Posted October 29, 2015 I'd actually wager that the First, and even the Lion, are supposed to be the Emperor's will and last defense. Now here me out, because I don't mean it in a special snowflake way, or to hold it above anyone else. I understand that Dorn is the Emperor's literal last line of defense, but the First is willing to hang everything on the line for Big E. In UE, the Lion is willing to trade the entire imperium and all its holdings just to keep the Emperor safe and in control. The Imperium may burn, but it also may be rebuilt with the Emperor in control. This is where Bobby G and Lion dissent the most because Bobby G wants to keep the Imperium, but the Lion wants to keep the Emperor. The First Legion has also served since the inception of the astartes legion project and done things likely kept between only them and the Emperor, binding them to him. This is also why I think we will see the Lion/1st and Russ/Vlyka become the dynamic duo at the end of the heresy because they would damn every binding just to keep the Emperor alive and ruling. Legionator 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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