Lukash_ Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 http://imgur.com/a/WGbXH Some pretty nice stuff here... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrkul Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 The emperors shield formation seems a little cubersome for a core choice... 150 infantry min? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Not bad :) Some of the restrictions make me a touch sad, but all in all, quite good. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted November 22, 2015 Share Posted November 22, 2015 Where would the Tank Ace stuff be though? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marti350 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 The emperors shield formation seems a little cubersome for a core choice... 150 infantry min? Wouldn't it be 80 infantry min? You can field a platoon with 25 infantry, so three platoons plus the ccs makes 80 edit, nvm, I see the restriction saying it requires at least 5 infantry squads, but I think that was intended to mean 5 of any of the options. Because the GW bundle for that formation has 2 HWT 2 Infantry squads and one PCS. You can't have more than 5 infantry squads in a platoon anyway so the at least part only makes sense with my interpretation Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aethyran Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Overall not bad but yeah wanted a bit more, especially in the Tank Formation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Emperors shield platoon must take 5 squads. Also, notice how the formation actually doesn't require a core or an Auxilary? Just a command. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
morroccomole Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 The wording here seems suspect. For each command choice you "may" include up to three core choices. implying you don't need to do that at all, and just build a list around the command choice, willy-nilly. One of those RAI/RAW things, eh? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Where would the Tank Ace stuff be though? Probably for the Longstrike vs. Pask mission and not an actual formation. I suddenly realize just how much painting I have in store for me in order to play that infantry company...good God-Emperor! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 The wording here seems suspect. For each command choice you "may" include up to three core choices. implying you don't need to do that at all, and just build a list around the command choice, willy-nilly. One of those RAI/RAW things, eh? Not just that, also look at the icons. It has Command, 1+, 0-3 core, 0-3 auxilary. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marti350 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Emperors shield platoon must take 5 squads. Also, notice how the formation actually doesn't require a core or an Auxilary? Just a command. GW is selling the emperor's shield platoon bundle with 2 infantry squads, 2 HWT, and a PCS, which makes 5 units. The rule also says it has to have at least 5 infantry squads. but you cant have more than 5 infantry squads so it only makes sense if they intended it to mean 5 units from the regular platoon options. So if their bundle is accurate then their rules are poorly worded. Yaaay GW Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Notice the lines: "The Cadian Battle group is a Cadian detachment as described on pg 50"? There'll be a few extra rules there, at least including the reroll to hit and wound in challenges, plus the relics. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrkul Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 The emperors shield formation seems a little cubersome for a core choice... 150 infantry min? Wouldn't it be 80 infantry min? You can field a platoon with 25 infantry, so three platoons plus the ccs makes 80 edit, nvm, I see the restriction saying it requires at least 5 infantry squads, but I think that was intended to mean 5 of any of the options. Because the GW bundle for that formation has 2 HWT 2 Infantry squads and one PCS. You can't have more than 5 infantry squads in a platoon anyway so the at least part only makes sense with my interpretation The core choice is a CCS and 3 Emperors shield platoons. And emperors shield platoon is one platoon and 1-3 sentinel squads. It has a restriction of a minimum of 5 infantry squads. Its possible its a typo, or a change in the upcoming codex, but as written its 15 infantry squads and 3 PCS, 3-9 sents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lukash_ Posted November 23, 2015 Author Share Posted November 23, 2015 I'm guessing the Tank Ace stuff works like the old Fighter Aces from Skies of Death: pay x points on a Tank Commander, roll on a table. Edit: nevermind, probably mission rules. Would be cool though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 But it's possible to not take Pask, by the very rules of the thing. Maybe it's a Cadian detachment thing? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrkul Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Emperors shield platoon must take 5 squads. Also, notice how the formation actually doesn't require a core or an Auxilary? Just a command. So you have to take a command. For each command you can take 0-3 cores. For each core you can take 0-3 aux. So you still have to take cores to get into the aux. There is some very nice stuff in here, but its kind of disipointing (unless the codex brings about some significant point drops). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 So you really can't run the formation without 150 models, or 5 Leman Russes. Dang. I don't have nearly that many models right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
librisrouge Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Sadly, I honestly don't know how much of this is use...it bears some thought. I need to get this book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myrkul Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 So you really can't run the formation without 150 models, or 5 Leman Russes. Dang. I don't have nearly that many models right now. Unless there is an FAQ or a change to how our codex is worded, no. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Where would the Tank Ace stuff be though?Nowhere, that's scenario-specific. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marti350 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Where would the Tank Ace stuff be though?Nowhere, that's scenario-specific. Here is the tank ace table posted in the other thread Elite armoured formation: The Astra Militarum player can roll once on the tank aces table and apply the result to an Astra Militarum vehicle. No Pask, can roll twice and apply to both. 2 No effect 3 Armor pen rolls against this tank have -1 4 d3 to ramming 5 extra 6 when moving flat out 6 Can move the tank anywhere in the deployment zone after all players deploy. 7 +1 to Ballistic skill 8 +d6 in movement phase, no shooting penalty 9 Stealth tanks. (Sly Marbo confirmed?) 10 one weapon on the tank can fire twice. 11 Weapons more than 18 inches away must reroll succesful to hit this tank. 12 choose what you want. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nismogrendel Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 The Ogryn formation sounds really fun! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Dangit, I still can't figure out that blasted Emperor's Shield Platoon. The online bundle says it gives you everything you need. There are 5 non vehicle units. But the formation says 5 infantry squads. How loose is the definition of infantry squads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
marti350 Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Dangit, I still can't figure out that blasted Emperor's Shield Platoon. The online bundle says it gives you everything you need. There are 5 non vehicle units. But the formation says 5 infantry squads. How loose is the definition of infantry squads? Exactly, RAW that bundle doesn't give you what you need. But it wouldn't make sense that it says "at least" 5 infantry squads when you can't have more than 5 infantry squads anyway so it would just say you must have 5 infantry squads. So RAI I think it is any 5 of the sub units to make a legal platoon. Just GW doing it's usual day one rule wording screw ups. With no FAQ in sight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted November 23, 2015 Share Posted November 23, 2015 Everything in platoons is an infantry squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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