Malakai Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 After being out of the game for so long I can't decide which to assemble. The Dark Talon looks cool in a weird GW way but not so much that I wouldn't use the Nephilim if it is more killy. Which do you prefer and why? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 there's no clear answer on that... and when in doubt, magnetize! I didn't magnetize, but assembled it in a way I can go either way.. the bolters and the cannon fit tightly so they can be replaces by missiles and lascannons. Dark Talon has a lot going for him with the great cannon and the bolters. At this point, if I could pick only one, I would go for DT. But I really like the Nephilim as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeChisler Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 Talon dovetails with the ravenwing I use plasma bikes for anti air and the speeder support squad twin liked with prescience If your running greenwing then you might want the Fighter, the s6 bolter is probably your best bet anyways at leas they sorted the missiles out. I've magnet mine but always use the talon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eurieus Posted November 28, 2015 Share Posted November 28, 2015 It really depends on your need. DT is great at destroying stuff on the ground, but if you need anti-air, i think the Neph is the way to go. Either way they both got improved with our new codex ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakai Posted November 28, 2015 Author Share Posted November 28, 2015 I'm trying to get a Lion's Blade force together with elements of Ravenwing and Deathwing. (Probably have to go to a CAD for the Ravenwing as I don't like Sammael). So most of my stuff will be green wing. Smaller games I'll use a demi-company and have 6 RW Bikes + Landspeeder and 6 RW Knights w/command. Backed up by Deathwing if points allow. I don't care for magnetizing the model so I have to pick one. I guess I'll go with the Talon. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roland Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Talon if you have AA, Neph otherwise. I prefer to run both. If you can swing it the silence squadron would be nuts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakai Posted November 29, 2015 Author Share Posted November 29, 2015 Talon if you have AA, Neph otherwise. I prefer to run both. If you can swing it the silence squadron would be nuts. I don't see myself buying three kits. I don't want to commit to the Ravenwing or the Deathwing. I just want them to back up my Demi-Companies. I know I'm in the minority here but I love standard Greenwing. The robes for veterans, all of it. Plus I have Craftworld, Wordbearers(40K), Orks and starting a Sons of Horus army. Just WAY too many irons in the fire. The cost by itself is a deterrent but really I would never have the time to paint up a proper Ravenwing force. Still I'll probably get a Darkshroud to protect my bikes before getting another Talon/Nephilim kit. As far as AA I'll have to use my Devastator squads equipped with Plasma and Lascannons. I usually load my Tac Marines with H/Bolters. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Punk possum Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 It might be worth mentioning that Unless you run a CAD/RWSF detachment the only way to get all the Lions blade goodness is a silence squadron... If you are predominantly playing Greenwing it is a shame to miss out on all the benefits of the Lions Blade. The Silence squad is really pretty good in truth The capture run rule can swing things in the VP stakes with a well placed bombing run. On the down side its A a lot of cash to have to stump up and B a big points investment limiting its usefulness in most games. So then I guess its a choice dependent on your meta. Lots of flyers Nephillium, other wise the Dark talon. Its a shame you don't want to magnetize as Elmo has demonstrated how you can use magnets to have either available to choose from with only one kit.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SnakeChisler Posted November 29, 2015 Share Posted November 29, 2015 Everyone plays RWSF as choose your own HQ, ITC gives you as Ravenwing over in Europe you get the HQ but not Ravenwing rule No matter 1 bike HQ + 2 ravenwing choices for RWSF no one I know has disallowed this reading of the rule Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 · Hidden by Chaplain Lucifer, December 1, 2015 - Off topic Hidden by Chaplain Lucifer, December 1, 2015 - Off topic The robes for veterans Robes are not limited to veterans. Any DA model marine can have them. /edit/ Corrected myself... Link to comment
Malakai Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 · Hidden by Chaplain Lucifer, December 1, 2015 - Off topic Hidden by Chaplain Lucifer, December 1, 2015 - Off topic The robes for veterans Robes are not limited to veterans. Any DA model can have them. Don't start with this. Look you can put robes on your sevitors and scouts for all I care. Doesn't make it right.. From the codex: Robes are most often seen on Company Veterans, Veteran Sergeants and higher ranking officers. Yes GW went crazy putting robes on anything and everyone in the 'Eavy Metal Department when that upgrade sprue came out. I even saw some Devastators with robes during that time! Devs are the lowest on the totem as far as fully-fledged Astartes go. The quote does say "most often" so technically...go wild. For me however I've been a fan of the guys since 2nd edition and only character models and the like had them. I can't find the quote now but in one 'dex it says that the bone white robes are a symbol that they are a part of the inner circle. Look at chaplains. What is the best way to differentiate the difference between a regular chappy and an interrogator? Robes. I don't know how many times I've had this discussion online. But in the end it's your army so do what you like with your models. For me I'll be saving my robed marines to mark out important models. I have several sergeants without robes so that when I don't have the points to upgrade to veteran sergeant I can sub him in. It's fluffy and there are no confusions as to what he is. So Masters, check. Interrogator Chaplains, check. Librarians, check. Veterans, check. 'Bill the scout marine' from the 10th company...NO. Edit: Not familiar with Elmo. Did he do a tutorial? I haven't gotten into magnetizing models yet, still trying to figure out the sizes and things I need first. So I'd be interested in seeing it as my Deathwing will most definitely get the magnet treatment. Link to comment
march10k Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 · Hidden by Chaplain Lucifer, December 1, 2015 - Off topic Hidden by Chaplain Lucifer, December 1, 2015 - Off topic critical verbiage : most often Nuff said! Don't you start. Link to comment
Malakai Posted November 30, 2015 Author Share Posted November 30, 2015 · Hidden by Chaplain Lucifer, December 1, 2015 - Off topic Hidden by Chaplain Lucifer, December 1, 2015 - Off topic critical verbiage : most often Nuff said! Don't you start. That's why I put it in quotes and told you to go wild. Link to comment
Punk possum Posted November 30, 2015 Share Posted November 30, 2015 Hi Elmo is a bit of a legend on this virtual Rock his never ending WIP has a bunch of stuff about magnetization. I warn you now there are many pages but chock full of fantastic stuff on how flexible one kit can be with the addition of enough magnets. As a greenwing fan you will no doubt like the fact that he has managed to recreate the entire 4th company. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakai Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 Hi Elmo is a bit of a legend on this virtual Rock his never ending WIP has a bunch of stuff about magnetization. I warn you now there are many pages but chock full of fantastic stuff on how flexible one kit can be with the addition of enough magnets. As a greenwing fan you will no doubt like the fact that he has managed to recreate the entire 4th company. Yeah I think I will eventually do a 3rd company. I considered the 5th but all of those checkers and I already have an Ork force to paint those things onto. I'll hunt down this Elmo and check his stuff out. Thanks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmo Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Somebody call?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 He doesn't want to Magnetize Elmo... [walks away sadly.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elmo Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Heresy! Joins Brother Dean at the comfy chairs for a chat about all things magnetic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakai Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 Everyone plays RWSF as choose your own HQ, ITC gives you as Ravenwing over in Europe you get the HQ but not Ravenwing rule No matter 1 bike HQ + 2 ravenwing choices for RWSF no one I know has disallowed this reading of the rule What is ITC and seriously? Really? No-one has had a problem with that? I must play with anally challenged individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malakai Posted December 1, 2015 Author Share Posted December 1, 2015 Heresy! Joins Brother Dean at the comfy chairs for a chat about all things magnetic No I was checking out one of your threads earlier Elmo and it was impressive. To be honest I think I'm afraid to screw up magnetizing stuff and your level of magnetization was on a whole other level than anything I'd previously seen before! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAvengingKnee Posted December 1, 2015 Share Posted December 1, 2015 Everyone plays RWSF as choose your own HQ, ITC gives you as Ravenwing over in Europe you get the HQ but not Ravenwing rule No matter 1 bike HQ + 2 ravenwing choices for RWSF no one I know has disallowed this reading of the rule What is ITC and seriously? Really? No-one has had a problem with that? I must play with anally challenged individuals. https://www.frontlinegaming.org/community/frontline-gamings-independent-tournament-circuit/itc-2015-season-40k-tournament-format/ That was the most current version of their FAQ I found but I know there have been a few new rulings in the last few days. They have some nice FAQs for things since GW has just stopped putting out FAQs, ITC is a popular FAQ mostly in the US. I also just found out the tournament I am going to on Friday is an ITC event, did not know that, the level of suspected !@#kicking I was expecting to recieve has jumped up a notch higher. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted December 2, 2015 Share Posted December 2, 2015 Everyone plays RWSF as choose your own HQ, ITC gives you as Ravenwing over in Europe you get the HQ but not Ravenwing rule No matter 1 bike HQ + 2 ravenwing choices for RWSF no one I know has disallowed this reading of the rule What is ITC and seriously? Really? No-one has had a problem with that? I must play with anally challenged individuals. https://www.frontlinegaming.org/community/frontline-gamings-independent-tournament-circuit/itc-2015-season-40k-tournament-format/ That was the most current version of their FAQ I found but I know there have been a few new rulings in the last few days. They have some nice FAQs for things since GW has just stopped putting out FAQs, ITC is a popular FAQ mostly in the US. I also just found out the tournament I am going to on Friday is an ITC event, did not know that, the level of suspected !@#kicking I was expecting to recieve has jumped up a notch higher. So....you're saying that ITC enables RAWR MAD CHEEZEZ MOAR POWAR!!!! gaming? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheAvengingKnee Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 In some cases just like any tournament they do but they did take invisibility down a notch, and they clarified for their events that an HQ on a bike gains the Ravenwing rule. They also clairified that a rerollable 4+ can be considered better than a 3+ save. They recently ruled that combined fire for tau doesn't share special rules between units, the Tau players on Dakka have entered full paranoid mode after a 4chan troll claimed to have stuffed the ballot box. It's quite entertaining. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JJD Posted December 3, 2015 Share Posted December 3, 2015 ITC is the independent tournament circuit and is becoming very popular in the US. A lot of tournaments use the FAQ since GW doesn't seem bothered any more. https://www.frontlinegaming.org/community/frontline-gamings-independent-tournament-circuit/. It's run by the guys at front line gaming. I'm uk based but I listen to the pod cast. The rules questions are voted on periodically to update the FAQ and generally come down on the conservative less powerful side. To stay on topic who doesn't love a flying cathedral. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
march10k Posted December 4, 2015 Share Posted December 4, 2015 Funny...I've heard people saying how ITC is "gaining traction" for years...yet...never really met a TO who slavishly followed their dictates...they all kinda peruse the offerings, and in the end make up their own minds, adopting some, but nowhere near all, of ITC's dictates. So...in terms of a given tourney, YMMV, and in terms of blathering on the interwebz that ITC is a suitable substitute for GW's failure to publish a suitable FAQ, you're completely out to lunch. It's no more authoratative than my great aunt Hilda (and she's not even real), not that I particularly disagree with 90% of what they publish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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