Father Mehman Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I am in. My next order is for ten Breachers with Flamers and a BREACHING CHARGE ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Im in. Between Phalanx Warder and Normal Breachers, not to mention storm shields, the VII Legion is alllllll about that! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 What do people consider a solid build? I'm thinking of a foot slogging list (tank support of course) so 2 units of 20 Breachers with 9 power swords and Sergeant alongside the rest of the army. Idaho, if you would like some sigs and such he's to represent team B, let me know. Happy to provide some signs of Fraternity :D That could be a good idea in the future. I'll discuss it with the Admins. Do people think Breaching charges are worthwhile? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Breaching Charges? Unless in ZM, helllll no! The potential to scatter back onto your own boys with an S8 Ap3 blast is not worth it. Its only good in ZM vs Auto-hit doors since there is no real scatter-back potential. For UM, having power sword options does make them better at assautl but I wouldnt give half the squad swords. Maybe 5 with 4 special weapons at most. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 There's a trick where you can use it to generate around 6+ S8 autohits during a challenge. It's commonly houseruled to be unuseable during a challenge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Father Mehman Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 That's what I was talking about, Hesh. See, Team Breacher is all about knowledge! Anywho, when I start getting my Troops section fleshed-out, Breachers will form a keystone to my Tacticals. I love the idea of a shieldwall. Right now on paper I've got twenty Tacticals to ten Breachers (it is a footslogging army). Everyone moves up together as the Medusas let loose their charges. Found an objective? Park those Breachers there and continue to move up. That's what I've gotten so far and it's all theoretical at this point. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 What do people consider a solid build? I'm thinking of a foot slogging list (tank support of course) so 2 units of 20 Breachers with 9 power swords and Sergeant alongside the rest of the army. Idaho, if you would like some sigs and such he's to represent team B, let me know. Happy to provide some signs of Fraternity :DThat could be a good idea in the future. I'll discuss it with the Admins.Do people think Breaching charges are worthwhile? I made one on the previous page - happy to update it to mod approved specification though :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volth Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Breachers have awesome models. But gaming wise they are expensive. I will try out a unit of ten with dual flamers in a Dreadclaw. Putting them right into the opponents face, is maybe a way to distract fire and put some pressure off the rest of my army. 20 in Storm Eagle or Spartan probably do well also, but will be damn expensive. In general Breachers seem good at tying up dedicated CC-units, maybe primarchs. I'll see. And I am very jealous of Ultramarines Breachers with Power weapons. Their price is extreme, but their style is boss! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Idaho Posted December 13, 2015 Author Share Posted December 13, 2015 They're 5pts a model which ain't terrible though at 1 attack each perhaps they should be 3pts. I'm thinking with the Ultramarines Rite of War, we can totally make Breachers hard to deal with. Counter attack or charge - either way an extra attack. 20 men but only 5 power swords? Doesn't feel like enough attacks. What do people think on this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charlo Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I'd say ten power weapon attacks (assuming Ultras with counter attack) against anything with a 3+ will average about 2-3 kills before anything else strikes. So not bad! Works great as you have defensive grenades and a chance(s) to save against AP 3 with Shields and FNP. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 It depends, really. 5 Power Swords means that you aren't slicing-and-dicing through other tac squads meaning staying in combat for longer, potentially, which means a lower likelyhood of nasty shooting coming their way. With a 5++ in CC, Ap2/3 doesn't scare you as much as it scares Tac Squads and with Defensive Grenades, squads charging you gain no benefit. 20man Breacher with 10 Power Swords vs 20 Tacs pretty much ends in a win on the Breacher side every time if they're in CC with the Breacher Sarge having a higher chance of surviving the Ap2 Power Fist combat that is ubiquitous to the 30k Setting due to having an Invulnerable save. But, with 5 Swords instead, you can keep them tied up for that much longer but still have victory pretty much assured. Meaning that once the combat does end, it might be little-too-late for your opponent to nuke them off an Objective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 They're still only a 3+ Model. Spend more, and you're not only risking losing too many to shooting, and at the same time, you're spending more points on a unit which as you've already noted as not being particularly threatening. I'd say 7 might be a better choice. Many units have a 1 per 3 option, and I think that is a good ratio to apply here. That said, they're a decent dump of spare points, when you're left with around 20 to 25 pts left at the end of a list building exercise. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Volth Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 20 Breacher with 15 power swords seem right. 400 pts though. Add Sarge with fist and four special weapons that's almost 100 more. Is it worth a primarch? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Its also an expensive unit that doesn't really have much of a CC Punch outside of punting Tac or Assault Squads. Legion Dedicated Assault Units will still rip through them for cheaper or for roughly the same amount but with an Assault Transport included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThatOneMarshal Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 As I'm trying to figure out my Night Lords siege company I'm trying to figure out a way to incorporate them into my army. I absolutely love their helmets along with the shield. From a rules stand point I'm not sure if they can fit in. I could maybe run a 2 20 man squads to take advantage of talent for murder? From a modeling perspective, I'm gonna have a field day with them. For shields do you guys think that the dark elves shields from fantasy will work, or will they be too tiny? I'm thinking about shields with grisly trophies all over them, like heads, and the shield made with flayed flesh and of course with a bat theme. I'm thinking that these will be shock troopers, meant the to scare the crap out of any of the defenders of a trench and make them flee. How's that sound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hesh Kadesh Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Talent for murder works better when you can combined charge IMHO. 10 in a Pod with Flamers, Chargers or Meltas can make a mess of a few units. Spending 375pts on a unit simply to get +1 to wound, meaning you're spending 100pts on a unit to get +1 attack, as opposed to spending say an additional 80-100pts to get a unit of Night Raptors with a pair of Chainglaives for the same effect is a little bit disappointing. That it's also a 20 model unit, which struggles to get anywhere (without spending another 85pts+ to get the Scout special rule from a Vigilator, or even more if it gets put in a Spartan or Kharybdis) makes it hard to use. The extra hundred points you can put into this unit can be put into a Dreadclaw to pod onto the target - which combines with the assault factions of the army. Breachers are quite a good unit with the Night Lords (and Emperor's Children, and Sons of Horus, for that point), as it allows your fragile elite assault units getting gibbed by return shooting as the Destroyers bubble wrap after deleting the unit. As an assault army, if you're killing units, you want to make sure that they get destroyed. With Legiones Astartes providing a Ld8-9 rally even at 25%, you're going to want to ensure that the unit dies. You don't want to lose your bonus to outnumber if at all possible (generally; there can be exceptions) - so by getting rear charged on an already fragile 3+ Save unit ain't pretty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Me? I'm definitely a breacher bro: http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Squad%200.jpg Love the models and they are a centerpiece for my army. These guys fought through hell and still held the line, so I wanted my models reflect that as best as possible: http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%201.jpg http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%2026.jpg http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%2028.jpg http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%2030.jpg http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%2031.jpg I prefer MK3 with later MK torsos as it give them better proportions. Same with the later MK backpacks (I like to think that the IWs would constantly tweak their armor to make it better at the job): http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%206.jpg http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%207.jpg http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%208.jpg http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%209.jpg http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%2010.jpg http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%2012.jpg http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%2013.jpg http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%2014.jpg http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%2021.jpg http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%2023.jpg http://www.powerfisted.com/public/content/P14/Iron%20Warrior%20Breacher%20Conversion%2017.jpg Our league amended the LACAL prices for breachers to be 200 points, gave them move-through-cover, and changed hardened armor to allow re-rolls for both invulnerable and regular saves caused by templates. Especially since I play using Iron Hands rules, these guys are a regular in my army. I usually don't take more than a single unit, but their resistance and ability to tarpit makes them good for clogging up a midfield objective. I typically run them with a chaplain, navigator, and apothacary. They die slow and are almost always standing on the table at the end of the game, holding the line despite the odds: http://powerfisted.com/public/content/p16/Pre-Heresy-Iron-Warriors-vs-Space-Wolves-Battle-Report-28.jpg http://powerfisted.com/public/content/p16/Pre-Heresy-Iron-Warriors-vs-Space-Wolves-Battle-Report-32.jpg http://powerfisted.com/public/content/p16/Pre-Heresy-Iron-Warriors-vs-Space-Wolves-Battle-Report-33.jpg (more pictures here) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kriegriss Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 I always love to see bulba's breachers they are the shiznat and if you play 30k for rule of cool then who cares cause that are the coolest Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted December 13, 2015 Share Posted December 13, 2015 Bulbafist with the best Breachers 5evar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 I have a lot of Breachers. Lemme in, lemme in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d@n Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 10x breaches in a land raider is an ok unit. Driving around charging at aroumoured cermite Spartans and such, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 10x breaches in a land raider is an ok unit. Driving around charging at aroumoured cermite Spartans and such, Mind expanding on this train of thought? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuskRaider Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 The suspense is killing me... Anyhow, this is the only Breacher-related model I have. He's supposed to be a Sergeant for that Breacher squad I don't have. Honestly, I love the Praevian model and figured he'd be a good fit for the role, but I'm kinda iffy on the shield. I think the pigment reacted badly with the crackle effect or something. http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/DuskRaiderXIV/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20151123_010822113_zpswb6pabkz.jpg http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/DuskRaiderXIV/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20151123_010829002_zpssnkhyzlq.jpg http://i64.photobucket.com/albums/h169/DuskRaiderXIV/Mobile%20Uploads/IMG_20151123_010836057_HDR_zpsm7edttae.jpg Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Black Cohort Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Bulbafist those guys are awesome. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarl Kjaran Coldheart Posted December 14, 2015 Share Posted December 14, 2015 Im edging the waters, but waiting for more rules before I jump in my WiP Vlka Fenryka Breacher http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/kieran_m/HH%20Vlka%20Fenryka/8D62DC59-DD50-4E6F-AFF2-CFE0D05B1BEF_zpswb294afx.jpg http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i65/kieran_m/HH%20Vlka%20Fenryka/08F77C8E-1AE9-4F87-A462-671A942282BB_zpswlcsrzyo.jpg WLK Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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