b1soul Posted February 21, 2017 Author Share Posted February 21, 2017 The Sagyar Mazan should've rigged the bridge with hidden bombs Curze-style Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 They were a bit busy getting as many people as they could to the Lance of Heaven at the time. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 It's strange how it's gone from seeming rushed to being one of my favourite moments. As far as the Wolves go, I hope they get to do some serious damage, even as Russ' drive to face Horus interferes with his judgement. Horus is waiting for them, prepared and planned it all in advance. With TS/AL squads in attendance - it's a miracle Wolves get out at all (probably Alpha Legion just let them go again - it's not interesting to win over such incompetent opponent) I fell in love with that moment as soon as precisely 132 power weapons ignited, and I realised the Sagyar Mazan, had all been granted a glorious last stand and reclaim their honour and place amongst the legion. The united shout of 'Khagan!' Was fittingly epic as well. By the way - the irony is that not one of them died during the 'Swordstorm' bombardment at all. The Sagyar Mazan should've rigged the bridge with hidden bombs Curze-style Indeed it is strange that they haven't prepared the contingency for the last stand end - like some virus bomb or nuclear device etc. etc. 'They were a bit busy getting as many people as they could to the Lance of Heaven at the time.' - true, but they already have a lot prepared for evacuation. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Angel_of_Blood Posted February 21, 2017 Share Posted February 21, 2017 I fell in love with that moment as soon as precisely 132 power weapons ignited, and I realised the Sagyar Mazan, had all been granted a glorious last stand and reclaim their honour and place amongst the legion. The united shout of 'Khagan!' Was fittingly epic as well. By the way - the irony is that not one of them died during the 'Swordstorm' bombardment at all. Ironic how? And I'd put down none of them being killed, to something along the lines of the Death Guard not targeting the bridge of the Swordstorm. Mortarion made it very clear he wanted the Khan alive for him to kill. Can't risk destroying the bridge with him on it now can they. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 now, i know the emperor's children still use their traditional battle cry post corruption as a bit of a sarccy bomb to drop on loyalists for the lols...but when the palatine blade uses it in PoH, was that his take as well? what did other readers take away from that bit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 now, i know the emperor's children still use their traditional battle cry post corruption as a bit of a sarccy bomb to drop on loyalists for the lols...but when the palatine blade uses it in PoH, was that his take as well? what did other readers take away from that bit? Twisted humour, and self-awareness that they're not really fighting for a cause anymore. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 now, i know the emperor's children still use their traditional battle cry post corruption as a bit of a sarccy bomb to drop on loyalists for the lols...but when the palatine blade uses it in PoH, was that his take as well? what did other readers take away from that bit? Twisted humour, and self-awareness that they're not really fighting for a cause anymore. Indeed. Even Eidolon has gone darkly sarcastic. I fell in love with that moment as soon as precisely 132 power weapons ignited, and I realised the Sagyar Mazan, had all been granted a glorious last stand and reclaim their honour and place amongst the legion. The united shout of 'Khagan!' Was fittingly epic as well. By the way - the irony is that not one of them died during the 'Swordstorm' bombardment at all. Ironic how? And I'd put down none of them being killed, to something along the lines of the Death Guard not targeting the bridge of the Swordstorm. Mortarion made it very clear he wanted the Khan alive for him to kill. Can't risk destroying the bridge with him on it now can they. Wraight said he made that as an almost iconic scene... Then squad charge or def and does not lose anything. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Arkley Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Targutai Yesugei Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted February 25, 2017 Share Posted February 25, 2017 Yep. We all felt the same as you do right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 26, 2017 Author Share Posted February 26, 2017 Â Would've loved to have seen Yesugei make it to Terra and aid in its defense...but he died in a very meaningful way. Â All the major deaths were well done. Â Yesugei Torghun (wow...what a redemptive end for such a tragic figure) Qin Xa (not that well-developed of a character...but his psychic conversation with Arvida was beautifully written by Wraight) Â Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Arkley Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Sorely tempting me to HH White Scars Would've loved to have seen Yesugei make it to Terra and aid in its defense...but he died in a very meaningful way.All the major deaths were well done.YesugeiTorghun (wow...what a redemptive end for such a tragic figure)Qin Xa (not that well-developed of a character...but his psychic conversation with Arvida was beautifully written by Wraight) Oh yeah none were cheap, Loved his writing.I am hoping Wraight or ADB get the Battle at Terra... I hope Abnett does not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 26, 2017 Share Posted February 26, 2017 Wraight is very good (as evidenced in Scars and Battle of the Fang) at serving up deaths which are horribly abrupt without feeling cheap. War can be pitiless like that, and when done properly it can be very affecting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 Wraight handled Cario very well too...his fate was symbolic of the legion's  Honestly, I would've preferred that he and his less corrupted Palatine Blades didn't get wiped out at the end of PoH...I think there was more room to develop them further in future EC stories  Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Honestly, I think Terra is too vast for any one author. I'd give each Loyalist Legion on the Throneworld a book. Wraight gets Scars (vs SoH and Death Guard, AD-B the Blood Angels (against World Eaters, among others) and French the Fists. And the ghost of Iain M. Banks can handle the EC. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 That would be my dream come true  1. Wraight handles WS vs. DG at the Lion's Gate Spaceport  2. ADB handles the BA at the Eternity Gate  3. French handles Sigismund's smiting of Traitor champions Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 I actually want the Black Raging Blood Angels to steamroller Khârn rather than have him fight Sigismund. Because there isn't really drama there as one side will be "Oh wait, you're that guy I knocked on the arena floor that time" and the other will be "blooood..."  Sigi vs Sev, I'd be keener for. Can't think of obvious duels for Scars v DG, but it'd be sweet to see them battle the SoH at last. Then again, Abaddon is the only combat monster I know of in that Legion. Maybe Ekaddon? There was Sedirae, but then Horus decided that a captain who didn't look like him should be his decoy... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 27, 2017 Author Share Posted February 27, 2017 I think Falkus Kibre and Aximand are actually very formidable...though I'd personally classify them as "tier 2" champions, along the lines of, say, Cario or Malcharion, i.e. not quite up there with the likes of Sigismund, Abaddon, Sevatar, Jubal, Alajos, Raldoron, Khârn, Lucius, Sharrowkyn, etc.  I'd love to see Sigismund vs. Sevatar but after Sevetar's brain hemorrhage in Prince of Crows, I don't know whether Sevatar's psychic powers are still functional. If not, I think Sigismund would most likely steamroll him  Can't think of a good duel involving the WS and DG...  DG have Typhon but he's more of a librarian/sorcerer  Yesugei is no more  Qin Xa is gone as well...but Jubal is still around. Maybe Jubal vs. Eidolon? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 27, 2017 Share Posted February 27, 2017 Falkus is a good point. Â Depends if Eidolon is actually fighting or not Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 I think Falkus Kibre and Aximand are actually very formidable...though I'd personally classify them as "tier 2" champions, along the lines of, say, Cario or Malcharion, i.e. not quite up there with the likes of Sigismund, Abaddon, Sevatar, Jubal, Alajos, Raldoron, Khârn, Lucius, Sharrowkyn, etc.  I'd love to see Sigismund vs. Sevatar but after Sevetar's brain hemorrhage in Prince of Crows, I don't know whether Sevatar's psychic powers are still functional. If not, I think Sigismund would most likely steamroll him  Can't think of a good duel involving the WS and DG...  DG have Typhon but he's more of a librarian/sorcerer  Yesugei is no more  Qin Xa is gone as well...but Jubal is still around. Maybe Jubal vs. Eidolon?  i'm guessing new champions are always on the rise, no?  and isn't malcharion the fellow who killed 3 champions per each defending legion on terra? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted February 28, 2017 Share Posted February 28, 2017 Yep, he is. Badass, grumpy Malch. Simply love him and I'd be happy to see more of him during the Heresy as it was him, who defined the way the 8th fought. Only browsed through Blood Reaver to read his quotes again. ^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 28, 2017 Author Share Posted February 28, 2017 Malch beat 3 enemy champs of uncertain ability. Â I'm guessing other lesser - but still formidable - champs like himself. Â I'm pretty sure Malch is significantly weaker than Sev and the other legion top tiers. Â EDIT: In my mind, it's kinda like the Iliad. There are major heroes like Achilles, Ajax the Greater, Diomedes, Hector, Aeneas, etc. Â ...and there are somewhat lesser heroes like, say, Agapenor or Euphorbus. Â I'd be interested in reading about the exploits of these lesser heroes at the Siege of Terra. I don't think the scope should be limited to only the most famous individuals like Sigismund, Abaddon etc. Â Would be glad if the novels covering the Siege take some inspiration from Homer and introduce plenty of new heroes and champs who rise to the occasion Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Kezef Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 Malch beat 3 enemy champs of uncertain ability.  I'm guessing other lesser - but still formidable - champs like himself.  I'm pretty sure Malch is significantly weaker than Sev and the other legion top tiers.  EDIT: In my mind, it's kinda like the Iliad. There are major heroes like Achilles, Ajax the Greater, Diomedes, Hector, Aeneas, etc.  ...and there are somewhat lesser heroes like, say, Agapenor or Euphorbus.  I'd be interested in reading about the exploits of these lesser heroes at the Siege of Terra. I don't think the scope should be limited to only the most famous individuals like Sigismund, Abaddon etc.  Would be glad if the novels covering the Siege take some inspiration from Homer and introduce plenty of new heroes and champs who rise to the occasion  One of the things that made the first three HH books so good, from my point of view, was that the main characters where not the "A listers" but ordinary men (and women) who rose to the occaison. Saul Tarvitz is a prime example, a simple line captain with no prospects of promotion but happy in his role, yet he had greatness thrust upon him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sandlemad Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 In my mind, it's kinda like the Iliad. There are major heroes like Achilles, Ajax the Greater, Diomedes, Hector, Aeneas, etc.  ...and there are somewhat lesser heroes like, say, Agapenor or Euphorbus.  I'd be interested in reading about the exploits of these lesser heroes at the Siege of Terra. I don't think the scope should be limited to only the most famous individuals like Sigismund, Abaddon etc.  Would be glad if the novels covering the Siege take some inspiration from Homer and introduce plenty of new heroes and champs who rise to the occasion  I think this is a good way of looking at it. It would be good if there were a character like Sarpedon (or even an 'A-lister' like Achilles) who we know is going to die, so the interest comes from seeing how they go. Khârn only sort of counts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted March 2, 2017 Author Share Posted March 2, 2017 Well...no "A-listers" have confirmed true deaths at the Siege, as far as I know  Sevatar might die...but he might not  As for the "B-listers", I think Malcharion is maimed at the Siege (after pulling off his victories)...would be interesting to see how he's laid low to become a dread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted March 2, 2017 Share Posted March 2, 2017 I'll be very happy if Shiban puts him in the dread Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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