MoonPhoenix Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Hi all. https://m.facebook.com/1575682476085719/photos/pcb.1636193993367900/1636192513368048/?type=3&source=48 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bomber Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Deathwing nailed in the coffin as expected so not really sure if any of those really change anything. Except maybe the KDK players trying to play the "we're not Chaos Space Marines" card. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NTaW Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 At least when I do bust the Deathwing out I don't have to ask if I can use my TH/SS w. CML model any more. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bloody Legionnaire Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Deathwing nailed in the coffin as expected so not really sure if any of those really change anything. Except maybe the KDK players trying to play the "we're not Chaos Space Marines" card. At least we can actually take our dedicated transport Land Raiders in the Deathwing redemption force... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vanguard06 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 The Deathwing can now drive on with Dedicated transporting Land Raiders as I understand, is this the same as everyone else reads? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
plasmaspam Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Yep, utterly disappointed at the DW ruling. Still no reason to buy any more product. Fail GW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin_cse Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Ummmm what am I missing here? I don't see any answers that take away from DW, seems like they just gained the ability to actually take a Land Raider now which is a positive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mika_angelus Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 How so? It still says that all able units must be in deep strike reserve and all other in normal reserve. So terminators need to deepstrike and land raider have to come from reserve. Or am I reading it wrong? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Master Sheol Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 DW only army is autolose... RW only army with flyers is autolose... Look this beautiful cabinet my DW and my flyers... It's your new home now... :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HenricusTyranicus Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Maybe this is just me, but I thought the ruling that Grim Resolve overrules invisibility really nice. Especially in a Lion's blade. Maybe you all were already playing like that though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Epimetheus13 Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Can someone explain why this draft FAQ makes DW only armies an autolose? I don't get it. Like Ronin said, the clairity on Land Raiders coming in from reserve helps. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disciple of Caliban Sgt Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Is anyone else more than a little peeved that the Int. Chappy can't replace a regular Chappy? I mean common he's more expensive and essentially an upgrade. Why not allow him to take the chappy's place? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Space Truckin Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Can someone explain why this draft FAQ makes DW only armies an autolose? I don't get it. Like Ronin said, the clairity on Land Raiders coming in from reserve helps. It specifically says you auto-lose on page 3 of the FAQ. To paraphrase the document.... If your army is strictly Deathwing you auto-lose at the end of turn 1. Deathwing and Ravenwing were intended to support other units. Either include other non-DW units or have a chat with your opponent about the auto-lose rule. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disciple of Caliban Sgt Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Yeah for the auto lose thing if its that important to my opponent then I will give them a "win" so they can take it home and place it in their box of other "wins." If they actually want to play the game then we can play. I like having a themed force of all Termi's (kinda our thing as DA right?) so I'm going to play it and if they want the "win" its all theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinnerBeta Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Well, at least we can once again field DW with Land Raiders and don't have to use Hammer of Caliban to get a Land Raider in a Lion's Blade - although how much will that get us when it can get on the table on the second turn at the earliest (alpha strike dodge ?). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ronin_cse Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Ok I understand that DW only armies taken with the formation/detachment auto lose, but that isn't a change, that is how the rule has always been since the codex came out. That's my point it's not like this FAQ "nerfed" anything, it only allowed the ability to take a LR with the DW now edit: and why don't people just take a CAD and fill in the troops slot with a couple scout units? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonBased Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Ok I understand that DW only armies taken with the formation/detachment auto lose, but that isn't a change, that is how the rule has always been since the codex came out. That's my point it's not like this FAQ "nerfed" anything, it only allowed the ability to take a LR with the DW now I think the issue is that people were hoping it WOULD change. I, for one, was hoping to be able to play my pure Deathwing again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinnerBeta Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 edit: and why don't people just take a CAD and fill in the troops slot with a couple scout units? In short, it misses the point and destroys the theme for those who got into Deathwing for Deathwing - DW and RW are for many veterans armies of their own, mixing them with anything but perhaps eachother is like spending years building a lovingly painted fluffy Chaos army and then getting suggestions to include Centurions painted as Ultramarines to make the army more viable. Then there are more meta reasons and gameplay reasons but the first sentence will sum it up for most Deathwing players - I hope someone not writing from a mobile can elaborate if they wish. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Canadian_F_H Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Right the point was that in previous editions, when most pure death wing players started, it was not an auto lose to start your entire army in deep strike reserve, because a mass Teleport assault behind enemy lines to decapitate an enemy comand structure or jump all over a suspected fallen was the entire point of the pure deathwing army. Essentially they squatted pure deathwing as an army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FerociousBeast Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 One word: Unbound Two more words: Friendly game Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trevak Dal Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Deathwing nailed in the coffin as expected so not really sure if any of those really change anything. Except maybe the KDK players trying to play the "we're not Chaos Space Marines" card.I play kdk and I don't get how someone could claim they aren't chaos Marines, though it does highlight that only the stuff with crossover with the Csm codex causes the Frocked one's ire to rise, so if you just play daemons in kdk that mitigates that (unless you are fighting Grey Knights.) A guy I know plays mostly "Greenwing" (He plays consecrators) and I was curious about the da captain not being able to take a bike. It seems like if you wanted a dw or rw captain, librarian or whatever you could just pay for and upgrade like a chaos mark... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinnerBeta Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 One word: Unbound Two more words: Friendly game Three words: no Deathwing Assault Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother dean Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 RW only army with flyers is autolose... Incorrect, RWSF with a RWSupport Squadron (first turn) <--- pure... OR RWSF (first turn) with a RWSilence Squadron, Pure One word: Unbound Two more words: Friendly game Three words: no Deathwing Assault Well you're both narrow minded... RWAS (first turn) 4 different (edit: 12" range) DS homers (and Grav) for the DWRF Yes fine, the glass is half empty and "Pure" has gone away... but the glass is half full too and its a nice 18y/o single malt (or beverage of your choice.) Use the detachments... You can run any number of formations/detachments in normal games and most TO's will allow two... None of the above is more than two..... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CarbonBased Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Well you're both narrow minded... RWAS (first turn) 4 different (edit: 12" range) DS homers (and Grav) for the DWRF Yes fine, the glass is half empty and "Pure" has gone away... but the glass is half full too and its a nice 18y/o single malt (or beverage of your choice.) Use the detachments... You can run any number of formations/detachments in normal games and most TO's will allow two... None of the above is more than two..... First, there's no reason to be calling someone narrow-minded because they want to play a pure Deathwing army. Second, the solution to not being able to play a pure Deathwing army is obviously not to play a pure Deathwing army. Adding anything to it, by definition, makes it not a pure Deathwing army. I don't think that's news to anyone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SinnerBeta Posted June 22, 2016 Share Posted June 22, 2016 Please read my earlier post and reconsider your statement. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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