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I will compile here the standing house rules (some under consideration) that will be encouraged yet optional in My House. I extend all these rules to my brothers in the B&C! If you find me upon the hallowed ground of Terra, then the following rules are fair play.

FORMATIONS (under construction, please advise)

Chapter tactics,

For all intents and purposes the army wide special rules for codex BA, SW, DA, GK, DW(presumably) are forthwith referee to as their respective owner's "chapter tactics"

All formations present in AoD are available to codex BA, DA, but they must meat equivalent unit requirements. If your army doesn't have centurions you can't take a formation that requires them, but if they are only optional to the formation then you may take the formation without excision the illegal option.

Similarly until they acquire their own equivalent upto par formation options, codex BA forces may use codex SM formations, with the same eye for keeping them legal etc.

Note that dark angel company vets shall be available any time sternguard areally an option. Also, deathwing terminator squads of any type may substitute for terminators of any type in a formation.

Obviously sanguinary guard replaces honor guard and so on. Libby dreadnaught cannot replace a dreadnaught in a formation, but it can be taken in any formation in place of a librarian.

Baal predator squadrons may be taken in place of any other preditor squadrons in any formations.


Armylists/factions etc

CHAOS

Veterans of the long war

All black legion detachments will get their mandatory votlw upgrades at no cost as a detatchment bonus.

For all other chaos forces votlw shall be reduced to 1ppm regardless of unit type


Chaos space marine drop pod

Units from codex chaos space marines, the black legion and crimson slaughter suppliments, khorne demon kin, relevant imperial armour and any other suppliments, whome are permitted a chaos rhino as a transport option may take a drop pod exactly as described in codex space marines, but it may only take upgrades from the chaos vehicle upgrades relevent to the detatchment it is in. Further drop pods and rhinos may be taken as fast attack options by all csm factions, but cultists may not be deployed by drop pod (tho I have a horrific and fluffy rule to share later). Helbrutes may also take a chaos drop pod

Chaos space marine razorback

CSM units that can take a rhino may take a razorback with all the same weapon options as in c:sm and costs, but must use the chaos vehicle upgrades instead.

SALAMANDERS SPACE MARINES

please ignore the asterisk next to heavy flamers. You may take heavy flamers in tactical and devestator squads.

Salamanders assault squads may take melta guns in assault squads

And reintroducing salamanders 3rd edition rules thru a slight nod. Sgts in salamanders tactical terminator squads may exchange their power sword and storm bolter for a thunder hammer and storm shield for the same cost as the upgrade in terminator assault squads.



ASTARTES AND CHAOS

Terminators

Blood angels terminators points costs are to be identical to their codex: space marine equivalents

Chaos terminators shall be reduced to 30pm with power weapons, 33ppm with powerfist, lightning claw, or dual lightning claw configurations, and 38ppm with chainfist.


Codex BA, DA, SW armies may take cataphractii terminators, cataphractii terminator captains and contempos as presented in AoD, with relevent chaptertactics rules applied (including death wing etc as appropriate)

Chaos cataphractii terminators.

Chaos terminator squads may replace their Indomitus armour with Cataphracti armour so long as every model in the squad does so, for no extra cost.

Chaos units that may take terminator armour as an option may choose cataphractii armour as well.


Vanguard veterans

Weapon costs in codex blood angels to be improved to those printed for codex space marines.


VEHICLE SQUADRONS

all vehicles in codex blood angels and codex chaos space marines that have a parallel vehicle in codex space marines that has a squadron rule, may also be taken as squadrons for their respective factions.

The squadron benifit shall be, until further notice, the same as their equivalent squadron from c:sm.


Baal predator squadron, if there are 3 baal predators in the squadron and within at least 6" of another baal predator from the same squadron... all template weapons gain torrent, all weapons gain pinning, and all weapons gain twin linked if they didn't already have it.


IMPERIAL GUARD / ASTRAL MILITARUM / MILITARUM TEMPESTUS

Heavy weapon squads base cost reduced to that of 2 guardsmen. Unit gains eternal warrior.



-optional rules-



Vanguard and sternguard Terminators

Tactical terminators have specialist ammo like sternguard that they may fire from their storm bolters.

Assault terminators have the heroic intervention rule from vanguard veterans.


Pistols in general

All basic pistols such as Las and auto pistols, bolt pistols etc become pistol 2 and fire at +1 bs during overwatch but cannot combine with other rules to push them over the model's base bs nor bring their bs higher then a negatively modified bs. Ie if bs reduced to 1 by an effect other than overwatch then they will not fire at bs 2.


Specialist weapons and pistols

Grav pistols, Plasma pistols, helfrost pistols, melta pistols count as specialist weapons when combined with another specialist weapon in assault. Aka, powerfist + plasma pistol = +1 bonus attack.


Stratified wargear prices (weapons primarily) rule is a WIP

Vanguard veterans keep their current wargear price point.

sgts, veteran sgts, aspiring champions, sister of battle squad leaders, members of company comand squad etc (aka all single wound, MEQ armor units) pay 5 points less than full price from the armoury for all melee weapons and pistols that cost 10 points or more.

Imperial guard single wound models who can take weapons from the armory may take them at vanguard vet prices. All other ig officers take them at cost -5 points. Again pistols also at -10 pts for single wound and -5 for multi wound ig officers.








I will be updating this list thru the day. Thank you, input welcome.



Topic title changed since this is clearly for 7th ed only... which my house games will stick with for the time being...

Edited by Canadian_F_H, 19 June 2017 - 01:24 AM.
Added some of the acronyms in this post to our acronyms filter so I'm "editing" this to see if they work right away - no changes to the content of this post


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Looks interesting...


My Chaos WIP Thread (Bigger Pics and Foul Xenos offsite) Hall of Honour, My Storm Reavers (DIY SM Chapter) Story, My Chaos 7.5 Homebrew Codex Thread
In us burns a fire for vengeance that will only be quenched when we stand triumphant over the smoldering ruins of Terra. Our laughter on that day will haunt their survivors till the end of time. We will stride forth victorious through the shattered gates of their fortress, holding high aloft the defiled corpse of their rotting god as our prize.
Wulfkry, on 02 Jul 2013 - 3:38 PM, said: So an inquisitor is receiving SM implants using GK geneseed stolen off the fields of armageddon interesting..
Captain Semper, on 29 May 2015 - 4:10 AM, said: There is crazy and there is Teetengee crazy... ph34r.pngnuke.gif

Warsmith Aznable, on 30 Jan 2016 - 01:16 AM, said: 13. Teetengee wrote "Warp Born" and I won't even go into how disturbing the subject matter was.
The Psycho, on 26 Apr 2016 - 10:50 PM, said: That's either really disturbing or really cute, I haven't quite made up my mind yet.

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Looks interesting...


Its a start, I just felt some armies getting left behind just wasn't right. Blood angels and chaos specifically.

As for fixing these things I felt that it was best to do the minimum and see how it works rather than go overboard... hence cheaper votlw for chaos as a starting point to bring them in line with loyalists... Also flattening the costs made sense as it encourages players to put votlw on terminators and other veterans instead of punishing them for it...because these units should be votlw more so than line infantry.
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Oh yeah, before I forget. A super thematic and entirely evil special drop pod for chaos...

The terror pod.

The heretics take damaged or poorly functioning pods and cram them full of prisoners until their bones break when they close the hatches. They then fire these pods into enemy positions where the impact pulverizing the unwilling passengers. The hatches swing open throwing the grizzly remains about the battle field horrifying the enemy.

Chaos can take a drop pod taken in a fast attack slot which can be upgraded to a terror pod for (tbd) points.

When it arrives from deep strike it causes enemy units within 12" to take a moral check as if they lost 25% to shooting if they Arn't immune. If they fail this check and subsequently rally they will treat all chaos faction units as having the fear rule for the remainder of the game.

Also when they arrive the chaos player counts as having destroyed an enemy unit for all game purposes such as victory points or blood points.

Edited by Canadian_F_H, 28 June 2016 - 12:47 AM.

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Canadian_F_H you have gone and un:cuss Chaos. Here's hoping geedub does that too so it's official.

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Canadian_F_H you have gone and un:cuss Chaos. Here's hoping geedub does that too so it's official.

Thats what I was aiming for. I thought. What is the bare minimum players deserve. So I wouldn't over shoot. I still feel chaos needs a little more... ba should be almost good with the faq corrections, plus terminator cost corrections. They just need some formation buffs and maybe some slight additions of units from codex:sm from what I have read on the forums.

As for chaos. I still feel csm are sub par. 1 point cheaper in exchange for loosing atsknf isn't enough. But even cheaper csm seams wrong... and votlw makes them the same points but hatred sm and highee ld doesn't seam equal to atsknf either...

I've had some crazier ideas, but I feel restraint is way to go for the purpose I have here.

Edited by Canadian_F_H, 30 June 2016 - 02:02 PM.

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Bring those crazy ideas on over to my homebrew thread if you are interested.

Additionally, I think that although hatred sm and higher leadership isn't generally equivalent, I do think it is a decent counter to loyalist chapter tactics, or would be if chaos had some decent cheap assault transports.


My Chaos WIP Thread (Bigger Pics and Foul Xenos offsite) Hall of Honour, My Storm Reavers (DIY SM Chapter) Story, My Chaos 7.5 Homebrew Codex Thread
In us burns a fire for vengeance that will only be quenched when we stand triumphant over the smoldering ruins of Terra. Our laughter on that day will haunt their survivors till the end of time. We will stride forth victorious through the shattered gates of their fortress, holding high aloft the defiled corpse of their rotting god as our prize.
Wulfkry, on 02 Jul 2013 - 3:38 PM, said: So an inquisitor is receiving SM implants using GK geneseed stolen off the fields of armageddon interesting..
Captain Semper, on 29 May 2015 - 4:10 AM, said: There is crazy and there is Teetengee crazy... ph34r.pngnuke.gif

Warsmith Aznable, on 30 Jan 2016 - 01:16 AM, said: 13. Teetengee wrote "Warp Born" and I won't even go into how disturbing the subject matter was.
The Psycho, on 26 Apr 2016 - 10:50 PM, said: That's either really disturbing or really cute, I haven't quite made up my mind yet.

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Bring those crazy ideas on over to my homebrew thread if you are interested.

Additionally, I think that although hatred sm and higher leadership isn't generally equivalent, I do think it is a decent counter to loyalist chapter tactics, or would be if chaos had some decent cheap assault transports.

Link to your thread?

Also. Yeah, votlw could be equal to chapter tactics but still leaves csm short by atsknf

Similarly, chosen need something. Something subtle I think... to many things ive thought of seam to much..

Edited by Canadian_F_H, 01 July 2016 - 03:52 PM.


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Bring those crazy ideas on over to my homebrew thread if you are interested.

Additionally, I think that although hatred sm and higher leadership isn't generally equivalent, I do think it is a decent counter to loyalist chapter tactics, or would be if chaos had some decent cheap assault transports.

Link to your thread?

Also. Yeah, votlw could be equal to chapter tactics but still leaves csm short by atsknf

Similarly, chosen need something. Something subtle I think... to many things ive thought of seam to much..

 

Link's in my sig.

Honestly, after 10 years, hatred everything could probably be justified, but it still doesn't solve the recent renegades or the getting to combat problems.


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In us burns a fire for vengeance that will only be quenched when we stand triumphant over the smoldering ruins of Terra. Our laughter on that day will haunt their survivors till the end of time. We will stride forth victorious through the shattered gates of their fortress, holding high aloft the defiled corpse of their rotting god as our prize.
Wulfkry, on 02 Jul 2013 - 3:38 PM, said: So an inquisitor is receiving SM implants using GK geneseed stolen off the fields of armageddon interesting..
Captain Semper, on 29 May 2015 - 4:10 AM, said: There is crazy and there is Teetengee crazy... ph34r.pngnuke.gif

Warsmith Aznable, on 30 Jan 2016 - 01:16 AM, said: 13. Teetengee wrote "Warp Born" and I won't even go into how disturbing the subject matter was.
The Psycho, on 26 Apr 2016 - 10:50 PM, said: That's either really disturbing or really cute, I haven't quite made up my mind yet.

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Open topped rhinos. Yes, YEESSS. And a formation that gives us free transports.

Alternatively all space marines should be buffed to be better so among other things they can assault out of transports.

Because they are space marines, not guardsmen, not firewarriors, not tombkings in space not space elves and not gangbanger fungus monsters. Space Marines.

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Open topped rhinos. Yes, YEESSS. And a formation that gives us free transports.

Alternatively all space marines should be buffed to be better so among other things they can assault out of transports.

Because they are space marines, not guardsmen, not firewarriors, not tombkings in space not space elves and not gangbanger fungus monsters. Space Marines.

Exactly. Except, my main problems with the MASSIVE gap between fluff and rules are the low power of the bolter and the meh nature of power armour.

 

Incidentally, those are both issues my Sisters care about too . . .



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See, I'm not so fussed that the fluff doesn't match the gameplay. My issue is that the fluff doesn't match the gameplay and the gameplay isn't even close to balanced. If the game was really fun with most armies people brought at the same level (whatever level that is, points, units, models, force org slots, formations, whatever) it wouldn't bother me that it didn't match too well with the fluff, as long as the armies had the right feel to them. Alternatively, if the rules matched the fluff spectacularly, I could mentally reclassify it as a rpg and then not care if they were horribly unbalanced. The problem is that gw has done neither particularly well, and seems to hide behind whichever one justifies their current thing.


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My Chaos WIP Thread (Bigger Pics and Foul Xenos offsite) Hall of Honour, My Storm Reavers (DIY SM Chapter) Story, My Chaos 7.5 Homebrew Codex Thread
In us burns a fire for vengeance that will only be quenched when we stand triumphant over the smoldering ruins of Terra. Our laughter on that day will haunt their survivors till the end of time. We will stride forth victorious through the shattered gates of their fortress, holding high aloft the defiled corpse of their rotting god as our prize.
Wulfkry, on 02 Jul 2013 - 3:38 PM, said: So an inquisitor is receiving SM implants using GK geneseed stolen off the fields of armageddon interesting..
Captain Semper, on 29 May 2015 - 4:10 AM, said: There is crazy and there is Teetengee crazy... ph34r.pngnuke.gif

Warsmith Aznable, on 30 Jan 2016 - 01:16 AM, said: 13. Teetengee wrote "Warp Born" and I won't even go into how disturbing the subject matter was.
The Psycho, on 26 Apr 2016 - 10:50 PM, said: That's either really disturbing or really cute, I haven't quite made up my mind yet.

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Yeah. That's what most house rules are about.

Generally I find house rules attempt to fix balance.

Then mission specifics tend to focus on fluff. From army comp, to objectives and the terrain layout.

Again none of this helps pickup games. But these aren't for that, these are my house rules. As in, in my house.

Hence the firmest ones are about how Gw left certain codexes behind. While some looser ones are debatable but recomended.

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Couple updates for imperial guard and pistols

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Added house rules

1) for chaos razorbacks
2) salamander heavy flamers
3) salamander assault squad melta guns
3) salamander terminator option inspired by 3rd edition

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Any thoughts about switching up the razorback weapon options for chaos? or just keep it simple?


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In us burns a fire for vengeance that will only be quenched when we stand triumphant over the smoldering ruins of Terra. Our laughter on that day will haunt their survivors till the end of time. We will stride forth victorious through the shattered gates of their fortress, holding high aloft the defiled corpse of their rotting god as our prize.
Wulfkry, on 02 Jul 2013 - 3:38 PM, said: So an inquisitor is receiving SM implants using GK geneseed stolen off the fields of armageddon interesting..
Captain Semper, on 29 May 2015 - 4:10 AM, said: There is crazy and there is Teetengee crazy... ph34r.pngnuke.gif

Warsmith Aznable, on 30 Jan 2016 - 01:16 AM, said: 13. Teetengee wrote "Warp Born" and I won't even go into how disturbing the subject matter was.
The Psycho, on 26 Apr 2016 - 10:50 PM, said: That's either really disturbing or really cute, I haven't quite made up my mind yet.

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Any thoughts about switching up the razorback weapon options for chaos? or just keep it simple?


Well. Like some of the other things like vehicle formations they are as parallel to loyalist options until further notice.

I don't think it would be appropriate to deviate into territory that th eir predators aren't even moved into... again, something to think about there too... ectoplasma cannon predators and ectoplasma lascannon razorbacks.

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Some rough updates regarding AoD units, and formations for all loyalist chapters. And Cataphracti chaos terminators.

Basically opened up AoD to DA and BA.

I think I need to consider eliminating specific formations from some codexes, and some will self eliminate due to lack of legal units (or even approximately legal ones). Some units obviously approximate vanilla units so I hope those don't need to be explicitly stated.

I don't know jack about the SW or GK so I left them out for now. Poor guys.

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Basically opened up AoD to DA and BA.

 

Stands to reason.

 

I thought it was a little odd that the supplement named ANGELS of Death didn't apply to the 2 most well known chapters with Angels in their name.

 

That's like a Tau supplement being usable by any Tau aligned unit.......except the Tau themselves.



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Basically opened up AoD to DA and BA.


Stands to reason.

I thought it was a little odd that the supplement named ANGELS of Death didn't apply to the 2 most well known chapters with Angels in their name.

That's like a Tau supplement being usable by any Tau aligned unit.......except the Tau themselves.

Well... that last idea could be valid, if it was a supliment entitled "auxiliaries of the greater good." Lol

Thanks, I figured the AoD stuff was obvious.

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Especially since the BA and DA where in Codex: Angels of Death in 2E

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I have to double check here but... if I remember correctly, when a chaos champion or lord etc, rolls apotheosis... ie becomes a Daemon Prince mid game... he loses all his wargear and special rules such as ML and apostle stuff... yes?

If so I hear by house rule that the champ retains all gear and rules etc...

This make make a bit of a mess but it's worth it...

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So now that demon Prince is riding a motorcycle or wearing terminator armor? So much early 3rd ed in that. I love it.

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So now that demon Prince is riding a motorcycle or wearing terminator armor? So much early 3rd ed in that. I love it.


Why not! You paid for it!

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I would not have them retain steeds or armour, but have the prince gain the daemon prince armour upgrade if the base model had a 3+ or better save. As for steeds and bikes and similar, I would replace all of those with wings on the prince. Other than that, I would definitely keep the upgrades and gear. What about special characters? Should they keep their special rules as well? And psykers, their psychic powers and ml, those stay as well?


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In us burns a fire for vengeance that will only be quenched when we stand triumphant over the smoldering ruins of Terra. Our laughter on that day will haunt their survivors till the end of time. We will stride forth victorious through the shattered gates of their fortress, holding high aloft the defiled corpse of their rotting god as our prize.
Wulfkry, on 02 Jul 2013 - 3:38 PM, said: So an inquisitor is receiving SM implants using GK geneseed stolen off the fields of armageddon interesting..
Captain Semper, on 29 May 2015 - 4:10 AM, said: There is crazy and there is Teetengee crazy... ph34r.pngnuke.gif

Warsmith Aznable, on 30 Jan 2016 - 01:16 AM, said: 13. Teetengee wrote "Warp Born" and I won't even go into how disturbing the subject matter was.
The Psycho, on 26 Apr 2016 - 10:50 PM, said: That's either really disturbing or really cute, I haven't quite made up my mind yet.

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