DuskRaider Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Actually, I believe the whole incident on Eskrador is contested even by the Ultramarines themselves, and the "Inquisitor" who penned the account was found to be an Alpha Legion operative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 That is what they want you to believe... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurking Hydra Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I can honestly say I've never been this angry over a fictional event before. The worst of the nerd rage has subsided since Saturday and now I'm primarily just bitter. Kudos to the HH team for telling such powerful stories, even if I don't want to hear some of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I just can't wait for Dorn to see Alpharius (Omegon) alive after having personally killed him (Alpharius), since no one knows about them being twins. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lurking Hydra Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I just can't wait for Dorn to see Alpharius (Omegon) alive after having personally killed him (Alpharius), since no one knows about them being twins. That will be interesting for sure. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Oh didn't forsee that end. So there will be never a Omegon=Janus storyline? I mean now that his brother is dead, how can he betray him? Maybe setting up the whole thing and somehow getting Alpharius to personally take part and hunt down Dorn and risk/bet on him dying was part of the plan? Possibly. But if that's the case why the reaction at the end? Unless that's the one thing Omegon didn't take into his plans? So he was surprised that he had actual feelings for his brother or a connection? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak1508 Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I am hoping this could somehow set up the plot behind dorn's dissapearance. Like, we start liking his character more and almost forget about his duel with alph, only to then have another hydra head come back and bite him in the ass. Would make for a cool vengeance actually, with the whole mystery behind how and why dorn vanished imho Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brofist Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I hope each loyalist Primarch kills Alpharius at least once Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emperor's Furor Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 + ZEAL INTENSIFIES + http://i.imgur.com/yMUS6mS.jpg Needs a speech bubble saying "Fire" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkProdigy Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 Wasn't the only thing found of Dorn's when he disappeared his hands? would be some poetic revenge for Omegon to years later take the hands off the guy who did that to his brother, there's definite foreshadowing in the way alphy died methinks. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I can honestly say I've never been this angry over a fictional event before. The worst of the nerd rage has subsided since Saturday and now I'm primarily just bitter. Kudos to the HH team for telling such powerful stories, even if I don't want to hear some of them. Me too. Not because Apharius was killed by my least favorite Primarch, but because it implies the Alphas actually bought into the nonsense of the Cabal. So I can't even be mad at Dorn, and I'd probably be stone faced as I decapitated that blue green idiot as well. So in a way the book made me mad but I'm glad Alpharius is dead. Omegon at least was smart enough to toss the Cabal communicator out of an airlock. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfroCampbell Posted August 25, 2016 Author Share Posted August 25, 2016 I can honestly say I've never been this angry over a fictional event before. The worst of the nerd rage has subsided since Saturday and now I'm primarily just bitter. Kudos to the HH team for telling such powerful stories, even if I don't want to hear some of them. Me too. Not because Apharius was killed by my least favorite Primarch, but because it implies the Alphas actually bought into the nonsense of the Cabal. So I can't even be mad at Dorn, and I'd probably be stone faced as I decapitated that blue green idiot as well. So in a way the book made me mad but I'm glad Alpharius is dead. Omegon at least was smart enough to toss the Cabal communicator out of an airlock. How do you know what the Cabal said was a lie ..... at least one of the futures they foretold was true ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Terminus Posted August 25, 2016 Share Posted August 25, 2016 I didn't say it was a lie, I said it was nonsense. They basically told Alpharius, "Kill yourself and all your friends to make the world a better place." And Alpharius was like, "totes foh sho!" What a clown. Basically it leaves Lorgar as the only Primarch with a clue. Horus got the message but missed the point, focusing on material conflict even after his own sojourn into the Warp. Humanity can never conquer Chaos that is an intrinsic part of them, unless they embrace it and complete the circle of becoming one with their creation. Alpharius was given the choice between dystopia and extinction, and opted for the latter. Lorgar found the third answer of apotheosis and was even happy to share it with his brothers. It's just his Legion was similarly small-minded and followed Erebus' example rather than the First Pilgrims, so he's locked himself up in embarrassment for the last 10,000 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BLACK BLΠFLY Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 I hope each loyalist Primarch kills Alpharius at least once Oh heck yeah he is such a you know what... :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kol Saresk Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 I just can't wait for Dorn to see Alpharius (Omegon) alive after having personally killed him (Alpharius), since no one knows about them being twins. Or the fact that it's a whole Legion of Dread Pirate Rogers who pledge themselves to serving as specific identities to keep those identities alive at all costs. Okay, so here's what I'm not understanding as someone just reading the spoilers. If I understand correctly, the big reveal is that Alpharius was pretending to be someone else in a reverse fashion of Sheed Ranko in Serpent Beneath. So how long was Alpharius doing this? Was it solely within the confines of the novel, or is going to be there was another "Alpharius" out there leading the Legion and Omegon is going to have to deal with him? Although this does present the idea that the reason the Alpha Legion splintered so completely and totally was all of these various "Dread Pirate Alphariuses" all thought they were the real thing, which would have eventually caused major schisms within the Legion as they each tried to take control. It also presents the idea that all of the other "not Alpharius" AL characters are either Dread Pirate Rogers for separate identities or Legionnaires who got tired of the whole thing and just decided to put themselves out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Blackwood Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 So I finished the novel last night , then took some time to reflect on it before posting my thoughts which will be below the spoiler tag. I will say that I found the book started slow , picked up , slowed down , then sprinted toward the finish and while normally I would consider that a bad thing the tone of the novel and the concepts being explored actually made such a thing make a lot of sense. By and large the depiction of Dorn is similar to what we have been seeing ( I.E. not the best ) But there are several redeeming qualities that we get to see here that make me a bit more pleased. Dorn effectively tells Alpharius " Look , I know who you are , I know what you do. " There are a couple of situations where this is the case , a compliance where Dorn effectively Tells Alpharius how to Alpharius more efficiently. Its actually a pretty interesting exchange between the two of them because it shows both the quality of Dorns Stubbourness and the fact that its a conscious choice to do things the way he does them. He basically looks Alpharius in the eye and says "I know you." " Im not you because I choose not to be you."This is hammered home quite well when Alpharius says something like " Would it have been better if they died in open battle?" And Dorn pretty much turns around and tells him "Yea , that would have been better" This isint up there with Curze and his interactions with his brothers but its a solid showcase that Dorn is really a thinker and his duty to ensure compliance is important to him , the idea of making the world possible to effectively integrate post compliance action is important. Dorn comes across like a dick of course ,but I think thats the point , hes supposed to have that sort of blunt straight forward edge to him. Largely the book explores this concept that the Imperial Fists are Blunt straight forward tools that get a job done by the application of the most direct method possible. BUT this leads me to my main complaint , Which is my complaint about the Imperial Fists depiction in the HH thus far. The character introduced in this novel , who is dead by the end of it in my opinion completely steals the show , he is the main Imperial fist Character we follow around , he is the one who saves Dorn's life and lets him kill Alpharius , we get a look into the legion culture and what its like to become an imperial fist. This guy is one of Dorn's Huscarls and his Praetorian he is a very interesting and deep character. With Sigismund and Fafnir Raan doing border patrol duty and only just barely being in the book ( save for a pretty sweet boarding action ) and Pollux relegated to standing around in a Flashback. This guy Steals the show has a complete character arc and goes out like a boss. His apprentice who takes his name after he passes away needed a little bit more polish but was still okay and important. Andromeda is a fantastic character that i feel could be explored more , There is some really interesting stuff attached to her. This ALWAYS happens with the Imperial Fists as their supporting cast are just , so much more interesting than their primarch I mean is great that we have so many cool characters , but Dorn always seems .... less than important in the face of how nifty everyone else is. I will say that I do not think Dorn showed no growth in this book , he did , he pretty much decided that he needed to do things the dirty way and sent his boy to play Alpharius' game. He picks the right guy too. All in all I enjoyed the book , Im glad Dorn didint just flat out D Block Alpharius Im glad that he needed that little bit of help , otherwise It would have been a little insulting to the Alpha Legion. It certainly speaks to Dorn's character in a good way that he saw his brother and pretty much went " No , this is happening , stop talking to me I am killing you. I am ready for the model to appear now , lets go Forgeworld. Book was maybe a 8 /10 if your interested in the legions involved If you arent that interested in the Major Players its maybe a 7/10 For my personal enjoyment I give it an 8.5/10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Arkangilos Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 I didn't say it was a lie, I said it was nonsense. They basically told Alpharius, "Kill yourself and all your friends to make the world a better place." And Alpharius was like, "totes foh sho!" What a clown. Basically it leaves Lorgar as the only Primarch with a clue. Horus got the message but missed the point, focusing on material conflict even after his own sojourn into the Warp. Humanity can never conquer Chaos that is an intrinsic part of them, unless they embrace it and complete the circle of becoming one with their creation. Alpharius was given the choice between dystopia and extinction, and opted for the latter. Lorgar found the third answer of apotheosis and was even happy to share it with his brothers. It's just his Legion was similarly small-minded and followed Erebus' example rather than the First Pilgrims, so he's locked himself up in embarrassment for the last 10,000 years. Wait, what exactly what Lorgars third answer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilofix Posted August 26, 2016 Share Posted August 26, 2016 I didn't say it was a lie, I said it was nonsense. They basically told Alpharius, "Kill yourself and all your friends to make the world a better place." And Alpharius was like, "totes foh sho!" What a clown. Basically it leaves Lorgar as the only Primarch with a clue. Horus got the message but missed the point, focusing on material conflict even after his own sojourn into the Warp. Humanity can never conquer Chaos that is an intrinsic part of them, unless they embrace it and complete the circle of becoming one with their creation. Alpharius was given the choice between dystopia and extinction, and opted for the latter. Lorgar found the third answer of apotheosis and was even happy to share it with his brothers. It's just his Legion was similarly small-minded and followed Erebus' example rather than the First Pilgrims, so he's locked himself up in embarrassment for the last 10,000 years. Wait, what exactly what Lorgars third answer?Daemons and mortals conjoined is where the true power is. Edit - then it's just a question of control Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jimbo13 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I avoided this thread like the plague until I finished. It was a great read. Alpharius was awesome and tragic all in one. Dorn was perfect. I know people have mixed feelings but I like how you never see him from his own perspective. It gives you a better idea for how I think he'd actually be. Didn't have as much author bias which usually happens with primarchs. Just my two cents. I NEED DORN AS A MODEL.... Like now Forgeworld... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ak1508 Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I haven't got to that point in the books where they introduce you to AL yet, but can somebody clear one thing up for me please: isn't Alph's spear supposed to have a moretal wound kinda effect once it makes a single cut into an opponent? Or could it be that Dorn, being the primarch, is not affected by it? Or it was just FW being creative to set Alph above the regular characters for tabletop purposes? Cheers! And yes, FW - hurry up with them models! And revise the Lernaeans and Headhunters while you're at it please! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Wait, wait. Alpharius was killed and NOT by Guilliman?Who wrote this book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 John French. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 Not liking this, Slips. Not one bit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slips Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 I'm not complaining. Besides, Omegon is still out there. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted August 27, 2016 Share Posted August 27, 2016 One detail wrong there Letting Alpharius stab him in the shoulder wasn't the plan - Alpharius feinted in order to look vulnerable, and would have killed Dorn in a single 'perfect' thrust if it wasn't for his Huscarl's intervention - the implication is that he disrupted the 'perfect' blow enabling Dorn to take the thrust in his shoulder. And this is, in my mind, why I'm not disappointed with the death - Alpharius took a risk, and lost as a result of it. It's what keeps the death of a demi-god in such brief and horrific fashion palatable to fans of both sides If that helps you sleep at night... I think it was pretty ambiguous. The blow was "perfect" from Archamus' perspective, and Dorn was much smarter than Archamus I think the logical interpretation isn't that Alpharius was guaranteed to win. Rather, I think it is that if Archamus hadn't intervened, the result would've been uncertain Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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