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Ok. So with the book content being discussed over a couple of different locations I thought I'd try to consolidate some of the information into one place so we can reference it when needed.

 

Basic Book Info:

Insurrection - Day of Revelation, beginning of the Insurrection

  • Lightning Bearers/Harbingers

  • Iron Bears

  • Grave Stalkers

  • Godslayers

  • Scions Hospitalier

  • The Drowned

Expansion

  • Book 2A - Martian Civil War - Factions: Abyssii, Kaban/Dark Mechanicum
  • Book 2B - The Comnena Cluster - Factions: Morning Stars, Void Eagles
  • Book 2C - Battle of Nox- Factions: Eagle Warriors, Wardens of Light

Retaliation

  • Book 3A - [Sack of Atlanticus] - Expanded generic armoury
  • Book 3B - Azus' Capture - Factions: Steel Legion, Dune Serpents, Traitor Serpents
  • Book 3C - Andezo's Rescue - Predators

Emancipation

  • Book 4A - The Southern Echelon - Factions: Updated Scions rules, House Toho, & Legio Gojira, Warbringers
  • Book 4B - The Center Echelon - Factions: Fire Keepers
  • Book 4C - The Northern Echelon - Factions: Halcyon Wardens, Legio Tempestus & House Zivich, Updated Iron Bears

Escalation

  • Book 5A - [The Eastern March?] - Factions: Berserkers of Uran
  • Book 5B - [Battle of Gidion Rift?] - Factions: Crimson Lions & Heredes
  • Book 5C - [Siege of Cadia?] - Factions: Leonic Auxilia [Titan Legio? Knight House Harkon?]
  • ??? - How should the Blood Crusade be divided?

[Defection/Secession/Revolution?]

  • Book 6A - Return of the Berserkers/Border Skirmishes - Factions: Daemon Raktra and Corrupted Berserkers and the Nightguard
  • Book 6B - The Strelan Purge - Factions: Warriors of Peace [Perhaps a short campaign section and a long general history section?]
  • Book 6C - First Invasion of the Suzerainty - Factions: Daemon Koschei and Corrupted Godslayers

Corruption

  • Book 7A - Plague of Despair - Factions: Daemon Morro and Corrupted Drowned & Corrupted Insurgos
  • Book 7B - Chaos Undivided - Factions: Daemon Travier and Super-Corrupted Eagle Warriors & Corrupted Insurgos
  • Book 7C - Collapse of the Eastern Front - Factions: Traitor Predators

[Illumination]

  • Book 8A - Second Invasion of Solar - Factions: ???
  • Book 8B - Retreat to Sol - Factions: Wardens of Light 
  • Book 8C - Invasion of Madrigal - Factions: [New Suzerainty Units?]

[Decapitation//Conflagration?]

  • Book 9A - Invasion of Sol - Factions: [?]
  • Book 9B - Destruction of Madrigal - Factions: Empowered Icarion and Corrupted Harbingers
  • Book 9C - Final Battle in Webway - Factions: THE EMPEROR!

As you can see I've made a few suggestions relating to which factions could go where. Those are all italicised to show that they haven't been agreed upon. And if we limit ourselves to 4 factions per book, we have 7 'slots' free to introduce other groups or go back to cover changes to existing ones (I think the Drowned may still need a 'Daemons' update somewhere).

 

I will try to keep this updated as more info gets finalised.


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The wardens were orginally in the last book. You know aiding at the last moment for sitting around the whole conflict.

And I would split madrigal and terra honestly.

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I believe that the Predators need two entries: one as loyalists, one covering their change to Icarions cause (for their own means). While the latter can happen in one of the last books, I would like to have the loyal entry in one prior to Book 6 if it is possible.

 

Wouldn't make it sense to put the Eagle Warriors in the Blood Crusade as well? They are responsible for the Berserkers downfall. The Word Bearers were as well covered prior to the Shadow Crusade.

 

House Harkon could be a good filler faction. ^^

Don't know where to put them.


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The Harbingers will probably need an entry for when they've gone fully Chaotic as well

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The wardens were orginally in the last book. You know aiding at the last moment for sitting around the whole conflict.

And I would split madrigal and terra honestly.

I put them into (what is now) Book 7 as that was where simison called out the Wardens as being deployed. So it seemed the place for them to be tongue.png I'll be honest though I'm not 100% on when the Wardens rejoin the conflict (I know it's close to the end, but...). Do they show up during the siege itself? Or are they there for the last battles as Icarions forces push into the Terran system?

 

I believe that the Predators need two entries: one as loyalists, one covering their change to Icarions cause (for their own means). While the latter can happen in one of the last books, I would like to have the loyal entry in one prior to Book 6 if it is possible.

 

Wouldn't make it sense to put the Eagle Warriors in the Blood Crusade as well? They are responsible for the Berserkers downfall. The Word Bearers were as well covered prior to the Shadow Crusade.

 

House Harkon could be a good filler faction. ^^

Don't know where to put them.

That makes sense for the Predators. As I wasn't sure when they would turn I put them in at what felt like a reasonable point (ie when the traitor forces seem to be fracturing, making a loyalist victory possible).

 

The Eagle Warriors were an option for Escalation, but it seems that that book will only have the Berserkers and Crimson Lions in as far a Legion rules are concerned. If I've misinterpreted that, please correct me and I'll fix the post. But it was my understanding that they weren't being focused on in terms of background/rules.

 

Knight Households and Titan Legios seem like sensible faction suiggestions, and should be pretty easy to slip into the books wherever. As they seem to be more support elements rather than fighting over warzones independently (in general).


The Harbingers will probably need an entry for when they've gone fully Chaotic as well

See Book 8 :)


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Simison jad it that at year 25 the wardens rejoin the conflict. Although those would be the forerunners. Shocked by what they witness helping the Nightguard, half of the legion defects helping the loyalists and entering solar under the command of the Scorpion.

It is then, when his legion split in two, that Gwal realizes that he can't keep out of the conflict, that his sons would feel the pull towards the civil war and then he decides to join. But he arrives when the siege has begun. That was the initial idea and the wardens were in book 3 when we only planned to make 3 books^^.

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For Emancipation, I was thinking the fourth faction can be filled by the Fire Keepers.

 

And then a muse tapped me on the shoulder and whispered, "Hey, I have a better idea." 

 

Why not put the Eagle Warriors in that slot? They undoubtedly would have played a role in Icarion's first march against Terra, and their Chaos worship would still be kept on the side at this stage of the war, given Icarion's hostility toward Chaos. We can have a duel between the Warmaster and the Arch-Heretic, and it's this defeat that gives Travier the clout he needs to persuade Icarion to overtly seek Chaos' power against the Loyalists. So, there's a natural narrative connection between Emancipation and Escalation.


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So put the base Eagle Warriors into Emancipation and leave their demonisation for Book 5 when the traitors start turning to the warp for answers?


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Yes.

 

EDIT: Maybe not Book 5 per se, but definitely a latter book.


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When do the Predators flip allegiances?


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068/69.M31 when Andezo is convinced by Icarions to join him in order to defeat chaos, of course it is a lie

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After my snafu with the slot system, I was thinking more the nature of some of the elements involved. Would it be better if we staggered some of them throughout the books? A quick example is that Athrawes wanted to create a kind of enforcer unit for the False Imperium. Would that really fit into Book 1 or should that be in Book 2, which emphasizes the growth of his Imperium? 

 

Additionally, I'm unsure about the Shattered Legions. While they do allow for other combinations, it's very clear that the primary existence of this FW ruleset is to explore the Drop Pod Massacre. While we do have our Day of Revelation, I'm not sure any one Loyalist Legion is crippled to that extent, except for the Iron Bears. Should we include this ruleset in Book 2?


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Well I am for the 2nd option. It seems thst Fw is doing the same ( I bet they create 5 additional units for every legion. Mark my words, here you read it first)

Having the units spread to different books were for example the enforcers are needed in a campaign and then introduced is imho the better option. ( sorry for the awkward sentence)

So I might be able to introduce some wardens in an earlier book. Scorpion, Kylan and his sith. And in a later the bulk of the legion for example.

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After my snafu with the slot system, I was thinking more the nature of some of the elements involved. Would it be better if we staggered some of them throughout the books? A quick example is that Athrawes wanted to create a kind of enforcer unit for the False Imperium. Would that really fit into Book 1 or should that be in Book 2, which emphasizes the growth of his Imperium? 

 

Additionally, I'm unsure about the Shattered Legions. While they do allow for other combinations, it's very clear that the primary existence of this FW ruleset is to explore the Drop Pod Massacre. While we do have our Day of Revelation, I'm not sure any one Loyalist Legion is crippled to that extent, except for the Iron Bears. Should we include this ruleset in Book 2?

Oh. don't give me ideas like that. I read about the enforcers and had a unit mapped out with special wargear and everything while I was waiting for my train (less than 15mins all told).

 

As for the Shattered Legions thing I don't think we really need use the rules for Shattered Legions as even the Bears aren't really shattered in the same way as the Iron Hands or Salamanders. They are still an effective fighting force and don't quite fracture in the same way into the dozens of warbands (as far as I'm aware at least). Plus, hopefully, our Insurgos rules will allow us to show off the more distinct groups of marines that do go rogue or break away.


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Actually, it was Athrawes who came up with the idea. 

 

Alright, it sounds like people are in favor of the staggering idea. As such, the 1-2-2 requirements still need to happen in their debut, but the other options can happen later. The only question I have at this point, is should we have the second RoW staggered? 


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That would be cool. Maybe the second RoW was developed during the Insurrection. Tsctics the legion favoured using against other legions where the other RoW was used primarily during the great crusade.
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That would be cool. Maybe the second RoW was developed during the Insurrection. Tsctics the legion favoured using against other legions where the other RoW was used primarily during the great crusade.

 

Agreed. It'd be an easy way to include Hatred/Preferred Enemy (Loyalists/Traitors/*insert Legion here), which could also showcase developing rivalries that will last all the way to the End Times.


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As hinted by earlier posts, I'm mulling over the writing plan. There is a strong push to include the Martian Civil War, but I still don't see a good place to put them in book 1 or 2. After glancing over the red books for the Mechanicum and Militia (thanks again, Grifft), I've been thinking over our supplements and how to organize the books.

Now, the books mentioned have no campaigns in them, but we could do so. That would be a surefire way to include the Schism in detail, but what else could be featured? The same applies to the Militia book.

If we go this route, should we eliminate one of the main books, like 6 or 7?

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We could feature the Xana Incurssion. It's a really cool campaign, gives an AWESOME Exemplary battle for Blackshields, something relatively early in the Insurrection (after the Schism of course) for the Solar Defense Fleet to do



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As hinted by earlier posts, I'm mulling over the writing plan. There is a strong push to include the Martian Civil War, but I still don't see a good place to put them in book 1 or 2. After glancing over the red books for the Mechanicum and Militia (thanks again, Grifft), I've been thinking over our supplements and how to organize the books.

Now, the books mentioned have no campaigns in them, but we could do so. That would be a surefire way to include the Schism in detail, but what else could be featured? The same applies to the Militia book.

If we go this route, should we eliminate one of the main books, like 6 or 7?

I think that books 6 and 7 would be the easiest to combine together, given that both have only 2 factions in them for now. Though we'd probably have to trim back a little on what is covered in terms of the actual campaigns.


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Both Talonair and AO want their respective Mechanicum factions to receive their own supplement where they take center stage. 

 

Demus is fine with the Fire Keepers debuting in Emancipation

 

After speaking with Sig, I'm fine with the Leonic Auxilia keeping its place since we have not seen a combination Astartes-Army force. However, while the Leonic Auxilia will serve as the base, I want the rules written in a way that it can support any Army unit being led/augmented with Astartes specialists.

 

I think Retaliation would be the ideal spot to feature our Shattered Legion rules, along with the Knights Errant and the remaining Insurgos.  

 

Berserkers of Uran (Daemons) should appear in Book 5. The Drowned (Daemon) can appear in either 5 or 6.

 

In the end, Book 7 is the only one on shaky ground since it only theoretically has the Wardens of Light. But it includes some of the most important events in the Insurrection that I am very hesitant to get rid of it. One option is to move the Wardens of Light to Book 8 and replace Book 7 with the Mechanicum supplement. Or, more accurately, have Book 7 be our Mechanicum book. It's very late in the war so the Cognis would be at full daemon Dark Mechanicum, while the Abyssii could have learned a few anti-Daemon tricks that Talonair wants to include. The Suzerainty-Imperium alliance could be what relives the Nox Siege. 


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For book 7 we could have two campaigns. One which is Mechanicum centric, one which revolves around the WoL&Nightguard
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Don't steal my spotlighz!!! I am happy to move to book 8 :P

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For book 7 we could have two campaigns. One which is Mechanicum centric, one which revolves around the WoL&Nightguard

 

Except I've explicitly offered the spotlight to the Cognis and Abyssii as the tradeoff for being in their own supplement. 

 

That said, thank you for reminding me about the Nightguard, they need a slot. Since Retaliation is focused on the onslaught of Daemon armies and non-Legion armies, the Nightguard can go there to represent the opposing side. Or, if that doesn't fit, we can have them be a supporting force to the Abyssii in Book 7. And, if for whatever reason, that doesn't work out, we can have the Nightguard on Terra or aiding with the Siege of Madrigal.


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I'm happy to have the Nightguard supporting the Abyssii. Will the Abyssii's part in Book 7 be largely focussed on the siege of Nox by the Insurrectionists?







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