arisen Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 I've yet to play a game of 30K, so I'd like to know if this would be a decent all-comers list at 2.000 points. I've tried to incorporate some of my favourite 30K elements (Suzerains and Guilliman) with some 30K goodies that would otherwise be relics in 40K (Sicarans and Deredeo), but all those toys cost a lot of points, so I had to go low-cost on troops, hence no pride of the legion RoW. The Chaplain, Guilliman, and Suzerains go in the phobos. Here's the list I intend to play in HH and 40K with a good deal of anti-armour, and a decent amount of shots when faced with greater numbers; HQ Legion centurion chaplain consul artificer armour, refractor field TROOPS Legion tactical squad rhino Legion tactical squad rhino 5 Invictarius suzerains Land raider phobos w/ armoured ceramite, multi-melta ELITES apothecarion detachment 1 apothecary w/ artificer armour HEAVY SUPPORT Sicaran battle tank Armoured ceramite, lascannon sponsons Sicaran battle tank Armoured ceramite, lascannon sponsons Deredeo pattern dreadnought Aiolus missile launcher LORDS OF WAR Guilliman Total = 2000 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3nn3rs Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 Do you own all of the models? If not I think a Primarch at 2000pts is a big investment. I'd suggest dropping Guillman and using the points to: Upgrading the LR to a Spartan - this would future proof your army, allowing a larger squad to follow Guillman at 2500pts. Upgrade one of the sicarans to a Sicaran Venator - it gives you some better long range punch and the ability to close down super heavies/ Knights Increase the squad size of the suzerines Add some upgrades to the tac sqds; artificer armour, power axe, melta bombs, vexilla are some good useful options. At 2500pts simply add Guillman and some extra upgrades. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 20, 2016 Share Posted October 20, 2016 That list is literally what I run at 2k points at times, it works very well. Guilliman is still effective at this point level due to the Myriad of rules he provides. I've run him at 1850 even! I don't put Armoured Ceramite on the Sicarans, instead giving the Tac sgts Power Fists and Artifacer Armour so the squad has a bit more bite. I must warn you that only your Tacs and the Suzerains can capture objectives which can make this list tough to play if you lose the infantry, which isn't hard at all. You'll need to deploy smartly and protect them. The Primarch will punch his way through whatever you throw him into so advance that Raider quickly but don't get stranded somewhere or leave yourself open to volumes of ap2 shooting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caillum Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 Yeah, Guilliman is very much worth it at any points level. :) I would use the points from the Sicarans' AC and the LR's multi-melta to get dozer blades on all the Tanks and artificer armour & melta bombs on the Tactical Squad Sergeants. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arisen Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Thanks for the great feedback so far! I've actually already got all the models because I really like how they look (the rhinos and LR are actually on loan from my 40K ultras for the time being). I was thinking that 2 sicarans with tank hunter would be sufficient anti-tank at 2K points. Would giving implacable advance to the sicarans instead of tank hunters for some extra scoring power be a good idea? I'm thinking the added power of tank hunters is too good to pass up on them. With the suggestions, I've modified the list slightly; No more armoured ceramite on the sicarans Multi-melta swapped for a dozer blade on the Phobos to ensure I don't get sidetracked with wanting to shoot it and rush forward instead. Artificer armour and power fist on both tactical squads HQ Legion centurion chaplain consul artificer armour, refractor field TROOPS Legion tactical squad Sergeant w/ artificer armour, power fist rhino Legion tactical squad Sergeant w/ artificer armour, power fist rhino 5 Invictarius suzerains Land raider phobos w/ armoured ceramite, dozer blade ELITES apothecarion detachment 1 apothecary w/ artificer armour HEAVY SUPPORT Sicaran battle tank lascannon sponsons Sicaran battle tank lascannon sponsons Deredeo pattern dreadnought Aiolus missile launcher LORDS OF WAR Guilliman Total = 2000 points Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
K3nn3rs Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 If you already have the models then cancel most of my points - the list is more rounded now and facing Gulliman would certainly have me worried! Will you stay at 2000pts or expand to 2500pts? If so what's the plan? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arisen Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 I'll be staying at 2000pts for the time being. We always play 40K at 2000pts, and I'm hoping I can get more players into playing 30K (we already have a few collectors, but near to no players). Then after some time I'd really like going up to 3000pts with the experience the above list brings, and upping the size of the suzerains is my first priority as they're some of my favourite models in the entire range, at which point they'll need a spartan to cruise around in, but then I'd have to drop the deredeo. I've also got 4 veteran tactical squads; 2 with 2 plasma guns, and combi-plasma, artificer armour and a powerfist on the sergeant, the other 2 have got 2 meltas, and combi-melta, artificer armour and power fist on the sergeant. So I could go pride of the legion with 4 veteran squads in rhinos and immediately increase the amount of scoring units while my opponent would need to kill all 40 of them to gain the extra VP. I'd also like to add a squad of 10 locutarus, because artificer armour jump infantry sounds very nice to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted October 21, 2016 Share Posted October 21, 2016 I wouldn't recommend running this in 40k personally. A 40k army can take significantly more at 2k points. The game has a different balance. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
arisen Posted October 21, 2016 Author Share Posted October 21, 2016 Thanks for the heads up. Guess I'll have to get them playing 2000pts 30K then, I think most of those already collecting have got around that points value. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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