MikhalLeNoir Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 And as Drach'nyen takes whatever form it can maybe it could also simply lool for a new host as soon as raiden enters the chamber beneath the tower of silence and slips into the katana? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 Maybe. Part of me just likes the idea of a lethal shadow/mantle that Raiden can manipulate, but the classic daemon sword is always a good option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Doesn't he habe a special volkitr too? A daemon weapo. Making chooooom would be a nice thing^^. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 I've never been keen on daemon guns to be honest. They're impersonal, to quote The Raid. Or maybe to paraphrase it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 A pistol to your head is a very personal thing^^ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted December 15, 2016 Author Share Posted December 15, 2016 You know what I mean. You can't fight Sigismund hand to hand with a pistol. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I know. But do you know this stok phrase? Very popularin germany Never Bring a Knife to a Gun Fight Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Unless it's 40k, where the knife is a massive sword, and the massive sword is in fact a powerful daemon that eats souls. Â I dunno, I just feel like Drach'nyen as a sword is as much a badge of office for the "Chosen One" of Chaos as it is an iconic weapon. His weapon in 30k might be significant, but I doubt it would have the same impact as him wielding Drach'nyen. Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RikuEru Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 I know. But do you know this stok phrase? Very popularin germany Never Bring a Knife to a Gun Fight A)...unless you are a Space Wolf (...or Khorne Berzerker) Â B) Why not a gunblade? No not of the Revolver-Longsword Squall Variety from FF... ...but a 30k Dark Age of Technology Version. A heavy sword with a blood ridge (correct term!?) That doubles as a half-barrel for an in-built Archeotech Gun or so. (Well hidden) Something to startle and betray your enemies with during one of those "honorful" "heroic" duels for the fate of the galaxy. ...and grimly execute them with, after ramming the sword into their chest. (Blade hits heart 1 - shot hits heart 2 and surrounding organs) Doctor Perils 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nomus Sardauk Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 (edited) B) Why not a gunblade? No not of the Revolver-Longsword Squall Variety from FF... Â How very dare you sir. That weapon is the coolest, manliest :cuss: outside of the Warhammer universe, speak another word against it and I will destroy you. :angry:Â A heavy sword with a blood ridge (correct term!?)You mean a Fuller? (thank you Man-At-Arms) Edited December 15, 2016 by SanguiniusReborn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RikuEru Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Â B) Why not a gunblade? No not of the Revolver-Longsword Squall Variety from FF... Â How very dare you sir. That weapon is the coolest, manliest :cuss: outside of the Warhammer universe, speak another word against it and I will destroy you. :angry:Â A heavy sword with a blood ridge (correct term!?)You mean a Fuller? (thank you Man-At-Arms) Not that I'm not a fan of it. Just that it is the most known example, even though blades with guns is quite a common thing among historic weapons (with questionable uses, though). Squall's just isn't grimdark and gritty enough. Â And yes, fuller is what I meant. Â What do you guys think? I pondered a bit more about the idea. It would be pretty fitting for a Chaos Weapon that can change form (maybe even ammo?) And it mimics the Emperor's finest (Custodes) weapons, which have in-built bolters or flamers (custodes contemptor sword) - just in a more nasty, tricky and bloody way. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Personally, I'm not a fan. Not that over the top gun swords isn't already a precedent in 40k, but I don't feel like its necessary here. Drach'nyen is already the most powerful daemonblade in the galaxy (besides the blade of Antwyr, but who even knows). Making it also a gunsword just seems extra and would detract from that imo. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted December 15, 2016 Share Posted December 15, 2016 Â Why not a gunblade? No not of the Revolver-Longsword Squall Variety from FF... How very dare you sir. That weapon is the coolest, manliest : outside of the Warhammer universe, speak another word against it and I will destroy you. I dare. The Gunblade is plain ridiculous, not only in concept (you shoot a gun cartridge to make the blade vibrate and hence cut more... really?) but also in rendition (how on earth are you supposed to hold that as a sword???) c'mon man! Â However, I must say that I agree with Drak about not making Drachn'yen into a sword-gun combo. However, that could still be Raiden's second weapon? after all, he can't very well have the Talon of Horus, but something similar would still be awesome no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted December 16, 2016 Author Share Posted December 16, 2016 Two swords, maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
~Drakzilla~ Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 OOH! Drach'nyen as the katana and another sword as the wakizashi! Perhaps his 30k sword, broken during the Siege and reforged as a smaller blade? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted December 16, 2016 Author Share Posted December 16, 2016 If it's good enough for Musashi Miyamoto, it's good enough for the Ruiner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Yeah, like that as well. Â Another way could be a separable sword like that of WoWs Varian Wrynn, Shala'mayne. Fused, a great sword, separated, two one-hand swords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Or to complement raidens fightstyle of sword and gun. Why doesn't drach'nyen resemble that giving him the sword and the gun? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted December 16, 2016 Author Share Posted December 16, 2016 I think it comes down to this; a sword is a poetic weapon, guns aren't. Â Raiden could always have some fiendish, Dark Mechanicus-designed pistol as well as his swords. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted December 16, 2016 Share Posted December 16, 2016 Does Raiden inherit anything from Icarion? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted December 16, 2016 Author Share Posted December 16, 2016 We don't really know. I can't remember what we said about the fate of Icarion's corpse Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 So I have a lot of catching up to do, and would appreciate any aid on that part on how the setting has changed, but regarding Raidens title, I tend to favor 'Athrawes the Everchosen' Â I miss warhammer fantasy greatly, and that little nod makes me both nostalgic and I feel suits Raiden more than True emperor or, the Stormlord (which was Icarion's title if memory serves). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 What would be the basis for him taking or being given that title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Athrawes Posted January 21, 2017 Share Posted January 21, 2017 (edited) He is what Icarion could never be. Icarion was so eager to wrest control of the Imperium from the Emperor at the end that he was willing to relinquish control to the Chaos Gods for the power to defeat the Emperor.  Icarion resisted the Chaos gods until he broke, and relented and became used by them in order to win. At the last, he died because of his weakness and his inability to stay in control, instead of becoming a pawn.  Raiden bore witness to how the chaos gods used Icarion when he relinquished himself to them for their power. He watched and and he remembers. Victory for the Traitor Legions is not Victory for the Gods. The gods want civil war and eternal bloodshed, but Raiden wants to rule the Imperium like his father before him.  He has the vision, and the strength to unite, for a time, the myriad forces of chaos and lead them to war, and so the Gods view him as another means to eternal war, Like Icarion. Each God vies for his allegiance, tempts him with all the power they can grant, if only he pledges himself  wholly to them.   The Gods need him to bring bloodshed to the Galaxy, He Is the Chosen champion of Chaos undivided.  Raiden is the chosen of the Pantheon, but he refuses to choose any one god, and refuses deamonhood.  Each time that the Chaos gods are spurned by his unwillingness to commit to them and become theirs completely, they lose interest and seek out another champion to rise up to challenge him, to replace him with a avatar more pliable to their whims, a Pawn like Icarion that they can control through the promise of "just enough power to achieve everything you have ever wanted"  But it never works.  Each time the gods champions are knocked back and Raiden becomes ascendant once more.  And so each time the gods return to him, they choose him, they tempt him with power and the cycle continues.  He is the Everchosen of Chaos.  +++++  In comparison, the Ruiner sounds sort of silly.  Raiden wouldn't view his actions as attempting to bring things to ruin. That is what chaos wants, but It's not Raiden's goal. He wants to rule the Imperium, not ruin it. Edited January 21, 2017 by Athrawes Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 21, 2017 Author Share Posted January 21, 2017 Well, when you put it like that, I'm totally on board Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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