bluntblade Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I believe this - it's awesome how the Khan doesn't even knock that door off its hinges. Just splits it down the middle :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
1ncarnadine Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I'm not sure the tuetelaries are all shards (cos them exploding some of their owners would get sketchier in that context). I guess this ties into French's implied stuff about tutelaries, wonder what it means for Ahriman if Aetpiao ever catches up to him. To me it seems more that the shard consumes the tutelary as it merges into Arvida It's so hard to say, and it could vary immensely case by case. Maybe this is the only shard that masqueraded as a tutelary? In the Ahriman series there's a shard that rides along in Ahriman's sub-conscious for a while, and Aetpio did vanish... so maybe a similar case. That some exploded their owners doesn't necessarily rule out them being a Shard of Magnus, either. Some shards seem to have taken on a different aspect, portion and/or perception of Magnus, so one or more could embody his spite or rage. Tzeentch stuff is awesome, but also definitely bizarre and convoluted. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carach Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 it would explain him being the "subtlest of all" if tutelaries were indeed parts of his essence projected. We know (kind of) that the emperor is capable of doing this so it wouldnt be a stretch for magnus to also have done it. He simply didnt come to his guys as himself for multiple reasons. Then again, it could be that the shard fixed arvida by inputting the tutelary into him. Tutelaries killing their owners could be that its because magnus shards are quite obviously super powerful, could be that the tutelaries/shards attempted to stop the change occuring but failed? Like.. that they needed to be under more controlled conditions like we see here? Or as said above could be the different aspects of magnus means not all get such fortunate treatment So many talking points on this one. Kind of makes one want to go back and read a thousand sons to see if theres any moment of dawning Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 GK grand master who is actually part magnus? Oofft what a saucy tidbit Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mc warhammer Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 it would explain him being the "subtlest of all" if tutelaries were indeed parts of his essence projected. We know (kind of) that the emperor is capable of doing this so it wouldnt be a stretch for magnus to also have done it. He simply didnt come to his guys as himself for multiple reasons. Then again, it could be that the shard fixed arvida by inputting the tutelary into him. Tutelaries killing their owners could be that its because magnus shards are quite obviously super powerful, could be that the tutelaries/shards attempted to stop the change occuring but failed? Like.. that they needed to be under more controlled conditions like we see here? Or as said above could be the different aspects of magnus means not all get such fortunate treatment So many talking points on this one. Kind of makes one want to go back and read a thousand sons to see if theres any moment of dawning even if mcneill didn't build it in at that point, it's still a great little potential revelation that almost none of us saw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 And now I'm really excited if Gyre will play a major role in Khayon forcing Magnus to kneel before Abaddon. Really great plot point done be Wraight! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Allart01 Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Wait a second... did I get it right that Ianius is the name of both, Arvidas tutelary AND the shard of Magnus, implying that they are one and the same? The whole time? By the Emperors balls! That is more than mind-blowing! Does that imply that every tutelary was indeed a shard of the broken future Magnus? And I always believed them to be lesser demons?! If I think this further....that would mean that Gyre of Talon of Horus is as well a shard of Magnus?....holy crap! So now Arvidas body changed and is now host to a being consisting of both, Arvida and the shard of Magnus? Let us think even further. Ianius = Janus would explain a lot of the little hints and clues about the first Grey Knight being more than a normal Astartes, right? I'm completely mind-blown...seriously, what a short story! Its the first advent release I bought and damn it was worth it! This little masterpiece deserve its own thread to discuss its outcomes. I love how the Khan shows up again. He's on his way to become my most favorite Primarch (which is kind of odd as Leman was always my number one ^^). If someone from the BL crew could take this message to him: Kudos, Chris! More than well done! Haven't read the short yet, but would this mean that future Magnus tricked his legion and his past self? That would be soo Tzeentchy (and awesome) :D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I really don't have enough money for the advent shorts at all Can anyone tell me what happens in the Heresy shorts? Valerius, Painted Count, Last Son? Valerius Valerius has a crisis of faith while on Beta Garmon. He confides in Pelon that he doesn't get any more visions from the Emperor, and Pelon tells him that visions aren't the only gifts the Emperor has given him. Remoralized because of this, he successfully lures a Warlord, several Reavers, a batallion of tanks and three companies of SoH into a trap before detonating the reactor of his Capitol Impearalis. The epilogue has a tank discovering him in the crater with him declaring it's a miracle. Overall you could have guessed what hapenss from the blurb and his survival just comes off as cheap Perpetual? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterofMankind Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I really don't have enough money for the advent shorts at all Can anyone tell me what happens in the Heresy shorts? Valerius, Painted Count, Last Son? Valerius Valerius has a crisis of faith while on Beta Garmon. He confides in Pelon that he doesn't get any more visions from the Emperor, and Pelon tells him that visions aren't the only gifts the Emperor has given him. Remoralized because of this, he successfully lures a Warlord, several Reavers, a batallion of tanks and three companies of SoH into a trap before detonating the reactor of his Capitol Impearalis. The epilogue has a tank discovering him in the crater with him declaring it's a miracle. Overall you could have guessed what hapenss from the blurb and his survival just comes off as cheap Perpetual? Do you mean the audio or whether the guy I'm talking about is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nineswords Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Spoiler for The Last Son of Prospero Janus is a Roman god with two faces. Loved Wraight's literal description of Ianius being neither quite Arvida nor the Magnus shard. Mind blown. Need to re-read it over again. Question: does the Sigilite begin work on Titan as seen in that Garro short before or after this revelation? What does it mean for the creation of future GK's re: gene seed? So many questions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Wasn't Janus the one who fought against Mortarion? I see this in a completely new light - revenge for Nikaea. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Antaonix Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I don't think Ianius is Janus. He already apperared in Beast Arise Series. He has Two eyes, but Ianius only has one eye. He has many veteran stud on his head, but i don't think revuel arvida has that many stud. Janus is old Friend of Kyril Sindermaan, but Ianius doesn't have any point of contact with him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterofMankind Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 So if big O isn't Janus, what was up with that grey armour in serpent beneath? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZebraM Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Also didn't Mortarion say he knew Janus well? I can't see him knowing Ianus well, especially if he's a new person made from Arvida and the shard. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jareddm Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I don't think Ianius is Janus. He already apperared in Beast Arise Series. He has Two eyes, but Ianius only has one eye. He has many veteran stud on his head, but i don't think revuel arvida has that many stud. Janus is old Friend of Kyril Sindermaan, but Ianius doesn't have any point of contact with him. To be fair, all of that is pretty superficial and could change in the thousand years between the Heresy and The Beast Arises. I mean it's not like Sindermaan even knows what the Gray Knights or Inquisition are at this point. But obviously he learns. Also didn't Mortarion say he knew Janus well? I can't see him knowing Ianus well, especially if he's a new person made from Arvida and the shard. And why couldn't Mortarion know of him after the Gray Knights form? I wouldn't consider it a huge jump in knowing someone of you've known them for 10,000 years vs knowing them for 9,500 years. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veterannoob Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Black Library audio app Thank you. I had no idea this existed. My BL life is complete. not only exists but for larger books there is a discount. audiobooks $50 are $40 there. Eisenhorn books $40 are $32 there. AoS RGW books were $50 and now are $27 on the app. This was much more fair for the length of audio and I finished my collection on the app. Just couldn't justify $50 for 6.5 hrs of book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
veterannoob Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Need to read the advent quick reads still. Listened to 5 of the 6 audios I bought. Hopefully play the SW one tonight while painting SW commission, as is only right All those quick reads: get out of my dreams an into my iPad! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jim Shady Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 I really don't have enough money for the advent shorts at all Can anyone tell me what happens in the Heresy shorts? Valerius, Painted Count, Last Son? Valerius Valerius has a crisis of faith while on Beta Garmon. He confides in Pelon that he doesn't get any more visions from the Emperor, and Pelon tells him that visions aren't the only gifts the Emperor has given him. Remoralized because of this, he successfully lures a Warlord, several Reavers, a batallion of tanks and three companies of SoH into a trap before detonating the reactor of his Capitol Impearalis. The epilogue has a tank discovering him in the crater with him declaring it's a miracle. Overall you could have guessed what hapenss from the blurb and his survival just comes off as cheap Perpetual? Do you mean the audio or whether the guy I'm talking about is? Valerius being a Perpetual or he could be one of the first Saints? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MasterofMankind Posted December 25, 2016 Share Posted December 25, 2016 Presumably it's the latter Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Wait a second... did I get it right that Ianius is the name of both, Arvidas tutelary AND the shard of Magnus, implying that they are one and the same? The whole time? By the Emperors balls! That is more than mind-blowing! Does that imply that every tutelary was indeed a shard of the broken future Magnus? And I always believed them to be lesser demons?! If I think this further....that would mean that Gyre of Talon of Horus is as well a shard of Magnus?....holy crap! So now Arvidas body changed and is now host to a being consisting of both, Arvida and the shard of Magnus? Let us think even further. Ianius = Janus would explain a lot of the little hints and clues about the first Grey Knight being more than a normal Astartes, right? I'm completely mind-blown...seriously, what a short story! Its the first advent release I bought and damn it was worth it! This little masterpiece deserve its own thread to discuss its outcomes. I love how the Khan shows up again. He's on his way to become my most favorite Primarch (which is kind of odd as Leman was always my number one ^^). If someone from the BL crew could take this message to him: Kudos, Chris! More than well done! The sad part is that Ianius is not Arvida. Our good pal Revuel Arvida as an individual entity is dead. And gone. What we have now is a mix of Magnus shard and Arvida tutelary/daemon entity. What we have here is a rebirth. In general Chris now has his own 'why do you kill Bragg' question. If Targutai wasn't enough, now it is well deserved :) 'Let us think even further. Ianius = Janus would explain a lot of the little hints and clues about the first Grey Knight being more than a normal Astartes, right?' - Right. Now we have the first true candidate for Janus. Yet again, Wraight knocks it out of the park. Amazing Yes he did. Tis the best story of all the Advent. I really don't have enough money for the advent shorts at all Can anyone tell me what happens in the Heresy shorts? Valerius, Painted Count, Last Son? Valerius Valerius has a crisis of faith while on Beta Garmon. He confides in Pelon that he doesn't get any more visions from the Emperor, and Pelon tells him that visions aren't the only gifts the Emperor has given him. Remoralized because of this, he successfully lures a Warlord, several Reavers, a batallion of tanks and three companies of SoH into a trap before detonating the reactor of his Capitol Impearalis. The epilogue has a tank discovering him in the crater with him declaring it's a miracle. Overall you could have guessed what hapenss from the blurb and his survival just comes off as cheap Perpetual? Do you mean the audio or whether the guy I'm talking about is? Valerius being a Perpetual or he could be one of the first Saints? Valerius is the first Saint of Astra Militarum and Lectio Divinatus. Keeler is beyond range of any measurement, she is much more than a 'simple' Saint Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Think I will reread it again. Seems like I missed some crucial bits as I was really tired while reading The Last Son Of Prospero. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted December 26, 2016 Share Posted December 26, 2016 Think I will reread it again. Seems like I missed some crucial bits as I was really tired while reading The Last Son Of Prospero. You definitely should. Tis truly one of the best Wraight stories and definitely the best in advent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LaurieJGoulding Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Sorry, are people referring to this? MORTARION (low, conspiratorial): But of course, I doubt even the archives of Titan would contain the original identities of the Sigillite’s... errant angels. Names. Power. It works both ways. Guarded. Hidden. [pause] The truth of Janus’s past would shake your pitiful Chapter to its very foundations. Of that, you can be certain. Treachery, cowardice... heresy, and a brother who would willingly betray his own for the sake of some half-imagined redemption. There is not a single word of that dialogue that contradicts anything in 'The Last Son of Prospero'... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Sorry, are people referring to this? MORTARION (low, conspiratorial): But of course, I doubt even the archives of Titan would contain the original identities of the Sigillite’s... errant angels. Names. Power. It works both ways. Guarded. Hidden. [pause] The truth of Janus’s past would shake your pitiful Chapter to its very foundations. Of that, you can be certain. Treachery, cowardice... heresy, and a brother who would willingly betray his own for the sake of some half-imagined redemption. There is not a single word of that dialogue that contradicts anything in 'The Last Son of Prospero'... Niceeee - it's a good point to remind us ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted December 27, 2016 Share Posted December 27, 2016 Quite the opposite - it even bolsters the theory of Ianius = Janus as at least a part of him wants to redeem himself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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