simison Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 Given the sheer number potential black books we're seeing already, I'm going to argue against having 3 slots and having just 2 given. 1 might be more wise, but I'm not sure how I feel about having a 1 or 2 page section for a faction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted May 22, 2019 Share Posted May 22, 2019 I think you have a few of those in Retribution. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted May 23, 2019 Share Posted May 23, 2019 I think it depends on what's happening with the force, as related to the story personally. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 How do people feel about giving rules to officers who die in their debut campaigns? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted June 1, 2019 Share Posted June 1, 2019 FW did that, as well. Ophion in Retribution, for example. Â Don't have a problem with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted June 2, 2019 Author Share Posted June 2, 2019 Not often, mind. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 I don't see that as an issue, so long as it's not regular Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowSwordmaster Posted June 2, 2019 Share Posted June 2, 2019 I'm okay with that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted June 16, 2019 Share Posted June 16, 2019 Darkcommander, kneel.  *pauses*  Darkcommander of Bolter and Chainsword, as Project Leader and Master of the Brotherhood of the Lost, I now raise you from Auxiliary to Legionary.  Henceforth, you will be recognized as the undisputed master Stone Dragons, Successors of the Tenth Legion, the Sons of Niklaas!  Now, arise, Darkcommander, Grandmaster of the Stone Dragons! Darkcommander and Kelborn 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted June 25, 2019 Share Posted June 25, 2019 It occurs to me that we can explain the rise of the Qarith Empire in our universe as a reaction to the BotL Primarchs. The mere act of the Chaos gods grabbing them and then depositing them at different points in the galaxy can be used to explain a butterfly effect affecting the Warp storms/Warpspace around the Qarith homeworld. In canon, we can say a late storm destroyed them, allowing Ullanor to thrive. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted June 25, 2019 Author Share Posted June 25, 2019 I was going with it being part of the great ripple effect that gives us a Fourth Rangdan Xenocide, Aureus under attack by the remnants of the Gorro Orks etc. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 10, 2019 Author Share Posted July 10, 2019 I'm thinking that for each campaign, we should probably include a zoomed-in bit of the Galactic map to show where it's going down. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 (edited) It would be nice if we have the resources. Â Legion sizes, Post-DoR Â Pre-DoR (using base estimates from earlier calculation) vs Post-DoR Â Harbingers - 209,400 legionaries vs 192,400 legionaries Crimson Lions - 150,400 vs 113,400 legionaries Void Eagles - 166,600 vs [110,950] - [22k lost when the Morning Stars defect, 33,650 lost in the battle assuming the SL inflict 25% of SL's size casualties] Halcyon Wardens - 243,100 vs 235,100Â Iron Bears - 113,900 vs 1,900 [...we need to have a chat about this one.] Â [Will do the rest later.] Edited July 16, 2019 by simison Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Berserkers of Uran - 140,900 vs [124,900] - [Not counting the Shepherds] Godslayers - 128,150 vs 93,750 Warbringers - 197,500 vs [176,000] - [9k lost against the DS and 12k lost to the Preds is the random number I pulled out.] Fire Keepers - 199,300 vs 173,300 Wardens of Light - 118,200 vs 78,000 Eagle Warriors - 124,950 vs [112,455] - [All I did was inflict a 10% penalty] Dune Serpents - 166,000 vs 30,000 & 42,000 [Added a bit more to the numbers in Subjugation to represent detachments elsewhere in the galaxy.] Grave Stalkers - 27,300 vs 22,300 The Drowned - 173,350 vs 153,350 Warriors of Peace - 103,050 vs 89,050 Steel Legion - 134,600 vs [120,940] - [Again, just guess at a 10% loss] Scions Hospitalier - 237,750 vs 83,212 - [This number was harder to figure out. 95,100 lost at Untara, and then I divided the other half of the legion into halves to represent the rest of the Scions getting hammered in the other three ambushes.] Predators - 133,050 vs [83050] - [Represented by the destruction/defection of three Tribes and losing an additional 17k from the ambush.] Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 Drowned took losses of 20,000 at Untara, I can confirm. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted July 16, 2019 Share Posted July 16, 2019 Where I could, I used the direct numbers from the books. Summing it all up, we get this:  Pre-DoR  Loyalists Crimson Lions - 150,450 Void Eagles - 144,600 Halcyon Wardens - 243,100 Iron Bears - 113,900 Shepherds of Eden - 113,200 Fire Keepers - 199,300 Wardens of Light - 118,200 Dune Serpents - 166,000 Scions Hospitalier - 237,750 Predators - 133,050 Total - 1,619,550 Legionaries  Traitors Harbingers - 209,400 Berserkers of Uran - 140,900 Godslayers - 128,150 Warbringers - 197,500 Eagle Warriors - 124,950  Grave Stalkers - 27,300 The Drowned - 173,350 Warriors of Peace - 103,050 Steel Legion - 134,600  Total - 1,239,200 Legionaries  [Honestly, with 1,239,200 Legionaries taking on 1,619,550, Icarion's rebellion looks a little reckless even with an additional Primarch on his side.]  One Day after the DoR  Loyalists Crimson Lions- 113,400 Void Eagles- 110,950 Halcyon Wardens - 235,100 Iron Bears- 1,900 Shepherds of Eden - [113,200] Fire Keepers- 173,300 Dune Serpents- 30,000 Scions Hospitalier - 83,212 Predators - 83,050 Total - 944,112  Traitors Harbingers - 192,400 Morning Stars - 19,000 Berserkers of Uran - 124,900 Godslayers - 93,750 Warbringers - 176,000 Eagle Warriors - 112,455 Dune Serpents - 42,000 Grave Stalkers - 22,300 The Drowned - 153,350 Warriors of Peace - 89,050 Steel Legion - 120,940 Total - 1,146,145 Legionaries  At the cost of 100k marines, Icarion almost halves the Loyalist marines. The Shepherds, I'm not sure if they were attacked on the DoR. Still, with only a 200k advantage, Icarion needs to maximise his Primarch advantage and the utter confusion that is the first couple of years of the war.  Bonus round: Renegades  Wardens of Light - 78,000 Dune Serpents - 33,000 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 16, 2019 Author Share Posted July 16, 2019 Shepherds take some losses against the Morning Stars Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Wait, when did the Bears numbers drop to 113,900 pre DoR? Last there had been any talk of their size we had them between 160,000 and 180,000. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MikhalLeNoir Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Wait, when did the Bears numbers drop to 113,900 pre DoR? Last there had been any talk of their size we had them between 160,000 and 180,000. Â Because the bears take so long to create one Astartes. Sim went through every legion and adjusted the numbers. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Â Wait, when did the Bears numbers drop to 113,900 pre DoR? Last there had been any talk of their size we had them between 160,000 and 180,000. Because the bears take so long to create one Astartes. Sim went through every legion and adjusted the numbers. Hmmm. Well the last I remember is after the increase in legion size for the extra 30 years of the GC the Bears had been upped to 205,000 and then the number was walked back to show the geneseed implantation length, but also to show they're hard to kill. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 This is the post, Redd. http://www.bolterandchainsword.com/topic/313061-ref-reference-information/?p=5044936 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 Fair enough, I'm fine with Bears being the second smallest legion pre-DoR, we're just going to have to adjust Kataii numbers to say 75,000? Keeps it in that 2/3rds losses ballpark, since that's where the original Kataii numbers come from. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted July 17, 2019 Author Share Posted July 17, 2019 Surely they're not second-smallest? WoP, GS and WoL should all be a lot smaller Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted July 17, 2019 Share Posted July 17, 2019 My bad it's third smallest, GS are obviously small, and WoP have about five thousand less. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted August 3, 2019 Share Posted August 3, 2019 Because I forgot to ask on Discord, can someone ask Rowboat what continent he wants me to start on in Enemy Within? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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