TheBlindPrimarch Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 random question, mostly because this was brought up once by Sim while I was creating the 1st Heredes, but here goes... In the Canonverse the worship of the Emperor as a god was spread throughout the mortal soldiery by means of a book know ask the Lectitio Davinatus, which was penned by Logar of the Word Bearers. In the BotL-verse Logar doesn't exist but the eventual worship of the Emperor does. (I think... ) If we are going with the Emperor eventually being worshiped, who would have been the one to begin the process of subverting the imperial truth, and how? For example, it would be easy for a group like the people of Vasalius to begin to worship him as a god because they already venerate him as a perfect being, but I don't think they would have the pull to the birthplace of the (My vote is to keep the Lectitio Divinatus as a means.) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 The Lectito Divinatus is still here, but this time it's author is Alexandros himself. I can't remember the right date, but after some fights with daemons and learning the true nature of Chaos, Alexandros comes to see the Imperial Truth as not only as pointless but deliberately undermining the Imperium's chances at victory. Furthermore, even if the Imperium wins the secular civil war, Chaos is going to remain a threat for much longer. So, Alexandros writes the Divinatus as his first explicit, anti-Chaos weapon and as a means to increase the Emperor's Warp power. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 Redd had an idea that the histories of some Legions eventually get compiled into religious texts as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Yeah, I was thinking the supernatural feats of the Primarchs serves as good basis for proof of divinity. And that the history compiled creates an easy basis for a new religion. Question are we still going to have different sects of emperor worship still? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Yeah, I was thinking the supernatural feats of the Primarchs serves as good basis for proof of divinity. And that the history compiled creates an easy basis for a new religion. Question are we still going to have different sects of emperor worship still? I see no reason why not. All the Divinatus does is establish a baseline, a set of principles. How those principles are interpreted or implied well surely be different between a Feudal World and a 'Modern' World. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheBlindPrimarch Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 wow, so the warmaster pens the divinatus, a direct violation of the Emperor's decree....INTERESTING! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Let's just say that Alexandros isn't unfamiliar with controversy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 (edited) Had an idea for the Mars story: “I trust you to find the comfiest spot, sir. This is one of yours after all.” The space marine quite failed to register Land’s irritation at his insipid attempts at familiarity. For one thing, this was a crude iteration of the Raider tank in its full glory. The primitive tracks and the signs of mass production were quite evident. Worse, this was a (insert forge) Pattern model, sacred designs bastardised by the brutish Techmarines of the Iron Bears. Apart from anything else, they had surrendered the most comfortable position for a seat to the reservoir of a plasma cannon, which sat in unapologetic violation of the vehicle's ordained internal symmetry. Irksome, sacrilegious modifications. Land was glad that his transport was at least spared the unsurpassed blasphemy of innovation, but again he was struck by the eternal patience of the Omnissiah, to tolerate such acts by His bio-forged weapons. The courtesy of the prefect merely pointed up the ignorance that reigned throughout the Legions. The most ubiquitous of their surface transports, and they didn't care enough to even question the provenance of its name. Edited January 25, 2017 by bluntblade simison and Talonair 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skalpynock Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 Well to begin with, Anvilus is under loyalist control here. Interesting, which means the Traitors are the ones who have to be careful with their land raiders. That could actually be part of the alliance between the Imperium and the Suzerainty, limited but continuous supply of land raiders. I'll check those out Redd. Honestly, I had "claimed" it due to its production of Dreadclaws, void-optimised Astartes backpacks, and heavy-dakka weaponry, which are the entire theme of the Void Eagles, before I was aware of the story about Land's Raiders. The traitors having little access to Land Raiders is an interesting theme. In cannonverse, the Imperium has all the Predator variants, here I'm led to believe the Traitors will have to do with a combination of Superheavies and "Light" pred-based tanks, while the Imperium has more of a middle-ground with Land's Raiders. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 23, 2017 Author Share Posted January 23, 2017 I figure the Martian standard will in production across many Forge Worlds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Doctor Perils Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 P.S. How did you get those? Tell me the secret please! To be able to use those would be very useful Sorry, I was on my phone. however, it seems alt 0254 gives þ and alt 0208 gives Ð (now for upper and lowercase, you'll have to find those) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted January 23, 2017 Share Posted January 23, 2017 The Gorgon transport originates from Forge World Vanaheim. Odd place for a Norse reference. So, that's out. Meanwhile the Macharian tank is re-found on Forge World Lucius. Maybe it was available during the Unification Era, but it's design is that of a battle tank, not an assault transport. The Dracosan transport is also vague on when it becomes part of the Emperor's war machine. But since the Solar Auxilia didn't come into being until after Saturn was added to the Imperium, I'm inclined that they are post-Unification Wars. In the end, I'm going to go with modified rhinos. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 The classic choice. On that note, while the Land idea is fresh in my mind, would anyone like to devise a plasma-heavy Land Raider variant and claim it for their Legion? P.S. it's tremendous fun to write a character as bitchy as Land. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I kinda beat ya to it Blunt, the Bears' Land Raider Mauler can take twin linked plasma cannon sponsors and the Mauler Nova adds a thunderer/demolisher cannon, which used to be plasma based. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 The Mauler pattern will do nicely Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 Hit a stumbling block around the circumstances of Vizenko being found out. The trouble is, the Lions are so secretive about the Burden that it's hard to plausibly give one of them sufficient motive to seek outside help, even if it's worsening and they are having no success in curing it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Bad Squig Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 I can't speak for Squig, but I think classic slow zombies would fit better, thematically, with Nurgle. And it's balanced, gamewise: Slow, but dead 'ard. Yeah, when I've been drafting rules that's what I've been doing for. In regards to the weapons thing, they can still use and operate melee weapons for sure, although I'm not sure about ranged weapons or vehicles/artillery - I've been leaning towards them not being able to do that. I was thinking just simple small arms, handguns and rifles, nothing too complex. Vehicles and artillery would be out. In Day of the Dead, a zombie, Sonny I think, is taught how to use a handgun. He then ends up shooting the army captain in the film's climax. I might just go for a lowered ballistic skill and/or an outright ban on some units in that case (I was going to just cut them all to ballistic skill 0 beforehand). I guess I'll deal with that issue properly when the corrupted godslayers rules are required. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Yeah, I was thinking the supernatural feats of the Primarchs serves as good basis for proof of divinity. And that the history compiled creates an easy basis for a new religion. Question are we still going to have different sects of emperor worship still? This is pretty much where the Greek mythical heroes are thought to have come from, so given the nature of 40k it definitely fits. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Yeah, I was thinking the supernatural feats of the Primarchs serves as good basis for proof of divinity. And that the history compiled creates an easy basis for a new religion. Question are we still going to have different sects of emperor worship still? This is pretty much where the Greek mythical heroes are thought to have come from, so given the nature of 40k it definitely fits. We meet again, Euhemerus. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chief Captain Redd Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 "And so it was that Daer'dd pulled the continents together… or started glowing with green gamma radiation and in a single step broke the eastern seaboard; No one is quite sure as no remembrancer was near" Temeter 10:23 I actually did a 45 minute lecture and 95 page paper on comic books being the new modern mythology for a myth and religion history class my sophomore year of college. simison 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raktra Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 "And so it was that Daer'dd pulled the continents together… or started glowing with green gamma radiation and in a single step broke the eastern seaboard; No one is quite sure as no remembrancer was near" Temeter 10:23 I actually did a 45 minute lecture and 95 page paper on comic books being the new modern mythology for a myth and religion history class my sophomore year of college. http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/017/204/CaptainAmerica1_zps8c295f96.JPG Chief Captain Redd and Nomus Sardauk 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sigismund229 Posted January 24, 2017 Share Posted January 24, 2017 Question: How are we going to cover the Schism of Mars in the books? Is it going to be a campaign in one or what? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted January 24, 2017 Author Share Posted January 24, 2017 I'd say a campaign in one of them. Featuring Fire Keepers and Abyssii, I guess. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
simison Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Perhaps the Mechanicum supplement book? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Talonair Posted January 25, 2017 Share Posted January 25, 2017 Given that the Schism of mars happened right on Terra's doorstep and required pretty much the entire Sol Defense Fleet and near an entire legion to contain, not to mention resulted in entire titan legions being totally wiped out and caused the entire Mechanicum to split down the middle I think it's a significant enough battle to have as the main focus of a Black Book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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