You can see my old Guard in the middle there, with some Sisters to one side and Blood Angels to the other. After returning I focused on my Blood Angels first, as they were my first models back in the 90s and my 'primary' force, but having spent the past year getting some new painting done on those and playing a few games I figured it's time to get my Guard in order and updated. I like to collect and play the different factions so one game I might use pure BA, the next game pure Guard and combine them together as allies for another. With a decent collection I can mix things up depending on what's pulling my attention at any particular point!
Anyhow, I'm looking at getting my Guard into fighting shape so they could operate effectively both alone or allied with Marines/Sisters. From my old models I have:
Old / Existing Models
2x Praetorian Infantry Squads (Melta, Grenade and Flamer specials)
3x Praetorian Heavy Weapon Teams (missing some weapons, but could field 3 lascannons / 2 Mortars / 1 Heavy Bolter / 1 Autocannon)
Praetorian Officer with Combat Weapon and Bolt Pistol (old metal Lieutenant model)
5x Catachan Infantry Squads plus a few spare bodies (7 Flamers total)
3x Catachan Heavy Weapons Teams ((missing some weapons, but could field 3 lascannons / 2 Mortars / 1 Heavy Bolter)
3 Catachan Snipers (old metal models, inc. 1 lying prone)
Catachan Officer with Bolter (old metal Lieutenant model)
Catachan Officer with Power Fist and Bolter (old metal Captain model)
1x Valhallan Infantry Squad (old metal models inc. 1 Flamer, 1 Melta)
Colonel Schaeffer's Last Chancers (old metal models, mix of weapons)
5 Rough Riders (old metal models)
4 old plastic Stormtroopers
2 'Catachan' Scout Sentinels with Heavy Flamers
1 very old metal 'Cadian' Scout Sentinel with what looks like Assault Cannon (no longer a valid option)
Leman Russ Demolisher (did have 2 multi-melta sponsons, now removed)
Leman Russ Battle Tank (heavy bolter sponsons)
Lightning Strike Fighter
To add to that I recently bought the following while they were 30% discounted:
Cadian Defence Force
Start Collecting Astra Militarum
Start Collecting Militarum Tempestus
Having looked through the latest codex and playing around in Battlescribe it seems most of my old stuff is still usable, though some things not too efficient. I took the sponsons off my Demolisher after using it in a friendly game and realising the meltas never succeeded when the ordnance weapon was fired, and intend to do the same with the battle tank. In the same vein my old metal squads have their fixed specials, which isn't a major issue as I can spread them out. I figure the Valhallans as a lone squad with 2 specials would make an ideal veteran squad while the rest of my infantry can be in regular platoons. I'd also plan to use the new Cadians as another platoon, so I can really put a lot of bodies down on the ground if I want. There are other issues with specific models (such as the Catachan captain with power fist that seems very points-inefficient) but I can find replacements for those or simply not use them. Schaeffer's Last Chancer's might actually just fit as a veteran squad with all their different weapons but they'd have a wide mix of every weapon type!
I just have a few questions while I'm planning things:
1. What's better for Platoons, maxing out the 5 squads or using the minimum 2 squads and then using extra as a new platoon to get an extra platoon command squad for issuing orders?
2. Can you run more than 1 Company Command Squad in the same detachment (if it has more than 1 HQ slot like a CAD) or are you limited to 1 per detachment for those?
3. Are sponsons on Leman Russ with ordnance weapons as bad a use of points as I thought after reading the new rules or should I consider sticking the sponsons back on?
4. Heavy Weapon Squads attached to Platoons seem to be seen as bad. As I have quite a few teams (as in the pair of men) but missing many weapons, is it worth me finding replacement weapons to rebuild those teams or am I better off focusing on more tanks for the heavy support?
Current Plans / Thoughts
I'm most likely to only be playing friendly games, no tournaments, and fun / fluff / theme are as important as actually winning! When using my Guard as the main force I was thinking the following:
-Separate Praetorian, Catachan and Cadian platoons as regular ground infantry to form the front line. Each slightly differently themed, so the Catachans have a full focus on flamers for wall of death when charged while the Cadians would be full grenade launchers to add extra strength shots. Praetorians obviously locked into what the metal models have, a little of each. I'd be looking at lots of bodies on the ground here.
-Company and Platoon command squads would be cheaply geared, sitting behind the lines to issue orders.
-A Heavy Weapons Squad different for each platoon to add support. I was thinking Autocannons for the Praetorians (have 1 already in metal and could add 2 more), Lascannons for the Cadians (using the old metal weapons) and find an extra Mortar to give those to the Catachans.
-Valhallan squad, Scions and (if fitting into the rules) Schaeffer's unit as the Veteran/Elite units with transports (Chimeras and Taurox) for mobile options to reach specific points.
-Existing Demolisher and Battle Tank to provide ordnance blasts (no sponsons), 2 new Leman Russ to be built as Exterminators for the 4 twin-linked S7 shots and added Sponsons of some variety as they could use them better. The tanks would be able to put shots into tougher targets, plus the non-mortar heavy weapon squads.
-The pair of Scout Sentinels with Heavy Flamers to target infantry squads approaching or breaking through the front line.
My games will likely mostly be against Tyranids and Genestealer Cult so I need a mix of anti-infantry, anti-MC (6T 3+ save) and some things able to hurt a gargantuan creature with 8T 3+ when I face things like Hierodule or Harridan.
I know I will be needing to add anti-flyer, as that never really existed when I played before and had just started coming in when I stopped before(I have a very early Lightning Fighter still unbuilt).
Anyhow, I have a LOT of painting to do as many of my old models were either A) only primed or painted badly in my youth so I'll probably end up turning this into a WIP painting/collecting thread but for now I'm trying to get some sort of structure in place with all the old (and new) models to help plan ahead and see what gaps I need to fill so any advice is welcome!
Edited by Thoridon, 01 February 2017 - 03:38 PM.