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Hey all, just had a chat with Rob Macfarlane about Space Wolf models that he's designed. I think this will make a lot of people very happy.

 

Grey Slayers are done, and are not just one kit. They are several different upgrade kits to cover all the weapon options, 10 heads a kit, an artificer armour sergeant, 20 shoulder pads, and then the weapon options. I'm not clear on there being different heads in each kit, but I expect it's the same base with different weapon options being what makes each set unique. Still, awesome!

 

Varagyr are half-finished, torsos & heads and pads done. Rob really wants to do running legs as well to emphasize their aggressive nature, with knotwork on the knees and carefully draped pelts that flow with the armour, but that's undecided as of now.

 

They've also planned out but not started on the models for Priests of Fenris, but there will definitely be models for Speakers of the Dead & Casters of Runes.

 

Only thing that hasn't been worked out so much is Deathsworn, and they should still arrive this year. 

 

I hope this is all true and gets released SOON

 

Point is Magnus is very overpowered compared to everything in the 30k meta. I don't get the massive delay with Inferno especially now that the rules don't seem well thought out...

If I want power leaps like this I'll stick to broken 40k combos.

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Why couldnt you play drop assault vanguard and those type of rites? I realize the wolves make assault marines "legion support squads" but it says in the rites like recon company (in which recon marines would otherwise be non compulsory) that they become so(that being compulsory). I dont see why that changes for the wolves, unless im missing something. It should be so long as you take a rite that makes them compulsory you can take them as such.

 

 

Grey Slayers must be your Compulsory Troops in a Space Wolves list. The restriction on those Rites is that you must take X unit as your Compulsory Troops. Do you see the confliction? I did talk to Alan Bligh on this one, although the response wasn't a straight yes or no. He said that due to their rules, some Rites are indeed restricted to the Wolves. So, kinda rough.

 

 

Wow, this is getting sillier than I initially thought.


Space Wolves are badasses that operate just barely within the rules. 13th Co. didn't even know there were rules applying to how badass they could be. DepthCharge on the Space Wolves

I'm so pleased that GW have gone to such great lengths to produce these awesome Space Wolves basing kits. Wraithwing on the Thousand Sons Rubic Marine release

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Never seen this much complaining in regards to a 30k Release cycle.......

the wolves will get their due, wait your turn. they have an entire range of plastics to play with, and some (from what I see) great new rules. 

No no figures *yet* is a bummer, but it sounds like its all in the pipe, and a long delay till the 1k sons stuff gets released generally anyway. 



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Look at the release of the moritat, he was revealed in June last year and still isn't out.

I do think it is a bit much complaining so much that what was shown doesn't match exactly what you hoped for.

Edited by Commissar Ibram Gaunt, 06 February 2017 - 08:29 AM.


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There's always the Tyrant Siege Terminators, which took 2 years to be released, and to be honest, are a little underwhelming in my opinion.  Though I can't really complain because the Iron Warriors are  supposed to be more utilitarian than anything.



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Yeah for a 2 year wait the models are very underwhelming. I could have converted something more interesting. Now I have to decide if I want to do that, or just grab them when they go on sale.
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Dang, really? I'm completely enamored with them. They're filled with little details that set them apart and feel very "Iron Warriors," tying in to the design aesthetic of the Contemptor and Domitar-Ferrum, but still very restrained. I think they knocked it out of the park.

 

Here's a shot I took of one up close & personal:

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Other than the helm, I aint thrilled with them.

 

Happy I kit bashed my own


Space Wolves are badasses that operate just barely within the rules. 13th Co. didn't even know there were rules applying to how badass they could be. DepthCharge on the Space Wolves

I'm so pleased that GW have gone to such great lengths to produce these awesome Space Wolves basing kits. Wraithwing on the Thousand Sons Rubic Marine release

"The Fell Hand is a name that has been passed on through out the Legion. When one warrior bearing it died, the name is left to be earned by another. Thus it was passed from Floki to Volund to Erik to Geigor. And then the tradition died, because censored.gif Bjorn got the name and proceeded to live for 10 censored.gifmillenia." - Sagas of the Wolf Priests. Wispy


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Dang, really? I'm completely enamored with them. They're filled with little details that set them apart and feel very "Iron Warriors," tying in to the design aesthetic of the Contemptor and Domitar-Ferrum, but still very restrained. I think they knocked it out of the park.

 

Here's a shot I took of one up close & personal:

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I like them a lot. Understated but you would never confuse them for anything other than Iron Warriors.



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Yeah for a 2 year wait the models are very underwhelming. I could have converted something more interesting. Now I have to decide if I want to do that, or just grab them when they go on sale.

 

Sounds like most of FW's descisions they seem to love holding finished models back to create hype and draw them out which leads to them being lack lustre on their actual release, I thought the moriats were pretty choice looking when they were revealed ages ago but now meh I've seen better conversions

the Tyrants are the same the helms are pretty swet but everything else..... yeah the cyclone launchers just look bland


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They do seem a little bland but it's not like they've been designing them since Extermination. They've only just got around to them. And the up-side is they will fit remarkably well alongside most peoples conversions. And we have a Primarch, not everyone does.
In any case, it could be worse - imagine being a White Scars player! :( Those guys and girls should be the only people with a reason to complain.

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The best part is that one of them has peg leg

Yarrrrrr!
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Well, after looking at the Thousands Sons models and rules something has become clear to me... I chose the worst time to start building my PC.

Honestly I'm pretty excited, hopefully all of this will help to revitalize the heresy forums.

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There is no cost justification for something that cannot be killed without the express presence of SoS.


The whole idea of Magnus and his sorcerous sons is that they're almost untouchable without anti-psyker support
With anti-psyker support, they're highly vulnerable.
That is a horrible design philosophy for a model game.

Perhaps...but I'm referring to fluff, not design philosophy

In the fluff, the TSons are further balanced by their tendency to mutate when drawing upon too much Warp power

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Not to mention it's clearly supposed to be a nerrative game, and narratively you would have SoS to counter Magnus and all the psyker shinanigans. It was balanced, it was balanced within the narrative.

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Well, this hasn't been brought up so much either, but the Thousand Sons do have crazy drawbacks. If any model in their force suffers a wound from Perils, THE WHOLE ARMY takes a Pinning test. And they suffer -1Ld the rest of the game and can't sweep if you kill their HQs.

 

You can't really count on the former, but the latter? HQ hunting will be a pretty real thing against Thousand Sons armies. Admittedly easier said than done, and some lists will do it better than others, but still.



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Not to mention it's clearly supposed to be a nerrative game, and narratively you would have SoS to counter Magnus and all the psyker shinanigans. It was balanced, it was balanced within the narrative.

 

Well not just the narrative, but within the rules of the game. Yes, thats what they are there for.


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There's always the Tyrant Siege Terminators, which took 2 years to be released, and to be honest, are a little underwhelming in my opinion.  Though I can't really complain because the Iron Warriors are  supposed to be more utilitarian than anything.

 

Yeah for a 2 year wait the models are very underwhelming. I could have converted something more interesting. Now I have to decide if I want to do that, or just grab them when they go on sale.

 

Other than the helm, I aint thrilled with them.

 

Happy I kit bashed my own

 

I don't know what everyone who's disappointed with them was expecting. I mean, how much different do Cataphractii termies with missile need to be? Everything but the arms is customized for this one specific unit, and I think they look extremely appropriate for the IV Legion.


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The Tyrants look ok. I dont like the body that has the bionic leg though.

 

Justaerin are still the best looking termies imo, only thing that could challenge them for mine will be the Custodes ones (assuming they will be like Collected Visions termies)..


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There's always the Tyrant Siege Terminators, which took 2 years to be released, and to be honest, are a little underwhelming in my opinion.  Though I can't really complain because the Iron Warriors are  supposed to be more utilitarian than anything.

 

Yeah for a 2 year wait the models are very underwhelming. I could have converted something more interesting. Now I have to decide if I want to do that, or just grab them when they go on sale.

 

Other than the helm, I aint thrilled with them.
 
Happy I kit bashed my own

 
I don't know what everyone who's disappointed with them was expecting. I mean, how much different do Cataphractii termies with missile need to be? Everything but the arms is customized for this one specific unit, and I think they look extremely appropriate for the IV Legion.


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Look how rad and stylized all these other ones are. I think we were expecting Tyrants to be more unique- like smaller Iron Circle. The Tyrants are pretty uninspired compared to a lot of the others. I don't think I'd care, but it took them more than two years to basically add some hazard stripes and IW shoulderpads.
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Let's see...

 

Customized helmet? Check.

Customized torso? Check.

Customized shoulders? Check.

Customized legs? Check.

In character with their Legion, as are the rest of the customized termies posted? Check.

 

As someone else mentioned, the IWs are the most utilitarian, non-glamorous Legion in terms of appearance.

 

Personally, I think the Red Butchers are awful, and the Firedrakes and Gorgons are meh at best.


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All of the other Terminator units are also called out for some kind of unique organization/role/characteristic/distinguishing features.

 

Tyrant Siege Terminators are specifically noted as Cataphractii Terminators with mounted missile launchers. Mission accomplished?



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I honestly did wonder if that was why it took so long for the official model to come out, because it was just normal Cats with launchers.


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Let's see...

Customized helmet? Check.
Customized torso? Check.
Customized shoulders? Check.
Customized legs? Check.
In character with their Legion, as are the rest of the customized termies posted? Check.

As someone else mentioned, the IWs are the most utilitarian, non-glamorous Legion in terms of appearance.


While they aren't perfect (the torsos are a tad uninspired and the ptergues on the arms are too long), they are a solid 8/10 and match the IW design aesthetic that Forgeworld have chosen to go with. Even if you don't like the majority of the models at least you've now got a legitimate option for a cyclone missile launcher that matches the Legion design aesthetic, unlike 90% of your options in the past (third-party and GW).

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I honestly did wonder if that was why it took so long for the official model to come out, because it was just normal Cats with launchers.

 

 

That could be the case; I remember reading more than one post here from people claiming that the FW sculptors tend to work on things that catch their fancy at the moment, and that there's relatively little direction from above dictating they do this or that project most of the time.

 

If the stuff coming out of this Weekender is any indication, I'd bet a lot of their sculptors have been rocking out on the Talons of the Emperor train. And I can understand why: doing the umpteenth variation on a Legion unit probably loses its luster after a while. It's not hard to see them going after non-Astartes stuff as a sort of internal break.



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The Tyrants look ok. I dont like the body that has the bionic leg though.

Justaerin are still the best looking termies imo, only thing that could challenge them for mine will be the Custodes ones (assuming they will be like Collected Visions termies)..


Saw somewhere else that the designer dicussed the custode terminators and that they were in the design stage and that were based around early cataphractii ar.our with more bulk that custodes could handle so should result in a similar look to the art.