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Honestly it doesn't matter who was at fault.

I know that when I was a Fire Team Leader, the punishment of my men was for me to decide. If my team made a huge mistake, we deal with that after the fact with the people involved. If the other team reacted prematurely, it would be a bad day.

In this case the Space Wolves screwed up royally. But that is something that should be handled afterwards, and if I were Russ I would do the same thing.

Regardless, this situation is incredibly believable.

Edited by Arkangilos, 14 February 2017 - 10:44 PM.

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1. Dark Angels boarded Dulanian vessel.

2. space wolves destroy said vessel, intentionally ignoring DA attempts to comunicate. (funny thing is that they thought

3. Since wolves killed several squads of DA and refused comunication the only conclusion is that they turned.

4. Dark Angels were justified in opening fire no matter how you look at it.

The Wolves were the only ones willing to admit it.

 

Is that a joke?



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1. Dark Angels boarded Dulanian vessel.

2. space wolves destroy said vessel, intentionally ignoring DA attempts to comunicate. (funny thing is that they thought

3. Since wolves killed several squads of DA and refused comunication the only conclusion is that they turned.

4. Dark Angels were justified in opening fire no matter how you look at it.

The Wolves were the only ones willing to admit it.

 

Is that a joke?

 

That they turned? 

Turned to what?

 

This is the Great Crusade. There is not turning to anything here. 

 

There is more than 1 possible conclusion here.


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That they went (finally?) out of control/rogue. It's what I meant.

Killing your allies (astartes no less) only supports the sw reputation of being somehow unreliable. And it's perspective shared by Imperial Court and Malcador not only 1st Legion.


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That they went (finally?) out of control/rogue. It's what I meant.

Killing your allies (astartes no less) only supports the sw reputation of being somehow unreliable. And it's perspective shared by Imperial Court and Malcador not only 1st Legion.

I never got the impression that anyone thought the Wolves would go rogue, just that they had lost their lustre. Not as capable as they once were.

 

And I fail to see how firing the Dulan ship would indicate to the Dark Angels that the Wolves had maybe gone "rogue". Because the Wolves mess up and failed to receive the hails, they had now way of knowing there were angels on board. We know that had they known that, they would NOT have fired on the Dulan vessel.

 

Then, the DA's threw their vaunted discipline out the window and nearly jeopardized the safety of untold legiones astartes by knowingly firing on an ally who had know way of knowing they commited a wrong (thanks to their overzealousness and strong-headedness). So both sides commited a fault in the encounter, the DA's could easily have righted the wrong after the battle, and it would have been completely the Wolves fault. but Johnson's interesting sense of honour (that was strangely absent later on in the book) seems to dictate that it's okay to suspend your battle plan while your actually engaged with the enemy. They were literally engaged in pitched fighting with an extremely well-equipped enemy, and they want to settle their honour?

 

For saying that the Wolves were the ones more than willing to kill allied astartes by doing something out of ignorance and stubbornness, the Dark Angels showed much more willingness to fire on their allies even if it meant jeopardizing a the final bloody battle of a bloody campaign.

 

Don't get me wrong, the Wolves DEFINITELY screwed up bit-time, and Russ knew that. But Johnson failed to acknowledge that his men also acted in a reprehensible manner while engaged with the enemy.


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This is a good discussion on the event, especially given the history (future?) between the two Legions but it really belongs in a separate topic now. Thanks.


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Though I have tremendous faith in CL Werner (he literally has not written a bad book for me) im a little worried that Cult of the Warmason is coming out so soon after the awesome genestealer cults novel by Peter Fehervari.

 

Is the ground already tread upon so to speak, surprised by this release by BL.confused.gif 



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Though I have tremendous faith in CL Werner (he literally has not written a bad book for me) im a little worried that Cult of the Warmason is coming out so soon after the awesome genestealer cults novel by Peter Fehervari.

 

Is the ground already tread upon so to speak, surprised by this release by BL.confused.gif

Werner has a lot of experience and fan faith writing truly dark stories. So it's a good succession.



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Just going through the upcoming books section on BL and have to say there is nothing in there for me in February, nothing in March either, and then in April, probably not going to get the LE of Perturabo and wait for the normal release in July. So it's not until May when Carrion Throne releases that there is actually an item of interest. Not a great line-up at the moment.


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Gives me a year to read other stuff and catch up on my to-do list, pending funds.

If anyone is short on things to read that are good and satisfyingly gory, I highly recommend David Kirk's Child of Vengeance.

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Just going through the upcoming books section on BL and have to say there is nothing in there for me in February, nothing in March either, and then in April, probably not going to get the LE of Perturabo and wait for the normal release in July. So it's not until May when Carrion Throne releases that there is actually an item of interest. Not a great line-up at the moment.

Exactly. It's like they are suffocating us till autumn - to open the airlock in august-september, lol.

 

 

Gives me a year to read other stuff and catch up on my to-do list, pending funds.

If anyone is short on things to read that are good and satisfyingly gory, I highly recommend David Kirk's Child of Vengeance.

Already read as all Abercrombi  and old pa Frederick Pohl etc. etc. And again that lovely time with nothing to read.



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Some new things from Amazon:

 

Warmaster-December.

 

 

The long-awaited fourteenth novel in the epic Gaunt's Ghosts series sees the Tanith First dispatched to defend the forge world of Urdesh against the armies of Anarch Sek.

 
After the success of their desperate mission to Salvation's Reach, Colonel-Commissar Gaunt and the Tanith First race to the strategically vital forge world of Urdesh, besieged by the brutal armies of Anarch Sek. However, there may be more at stake than just a planet. The Imperial forces have made an attempt to divide and conquer their enemy, but with Warmaster Macaroth himself commanding the Urdesh campaign, it is possible that the Archenemy assault has a different purpose - to decapitate the Imperial command structure with a single blow. Has the Warmaster allowed himself to become an unwitting target? And can Gaunt's Ghosts possibly defend him against the assembled killers and war machines of Chaos?

 

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New Guy Haley Blood Angels novel ( at least I think it is new, please correct if not true)

 

 

The popular Space Marine Battles series is relaunched with an epic novel that sees the whole Blood Angels Chapter in action, fighting a desperate rearguard battle to defend their home world from the predations of the tyranid hive fleet Leviathan.

 
After a brutal campaign in the Cryptus System fighting the alien tyranids, Lord Dante returns to Baal to marshal the entire Blood Angels Chapter and their Successors against Hive Fleet Leviathan. Thus begins the greatest conflict in the history of the sons of Sanguinius. Despite a valiant battle in the void around Baal, the Blood Angels are unable to stop the tyranids drawing ever closer, but their petitions for reinforcements are met with dread news. The Cadian Gate, the Imperium’s most stalwart bastion against Chaos, has fallen. In their darkest hour, no help will reach the beleaguered Dante and his warriors. Is this truly then the Time of Ending?

 

 

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And in early October:

 

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The fifth title in The Horus Heresy: Primarchs series, delving into the story of Lorgar, primarch of the Word Bearers Legion and the first of the Emperor's sons to fall to Chaos.

 
Most devoted of all the primarchs, it was Lorgar who first fell to the lure of Chaos. Once known as Aurelian, this golden son of the Emperor of Mankind found himself an outcast because he worshipped his father as a god. Humbled before the ruins of Monarchia, chastened and brought low, Lorgar yearned for deeper meaning. He found it in the power of Ruin and thus began the descent into heresy. His fate had not always been so. On Colchis, his adopted birth world, Lorgar was not always the zealot, though his path would be nurtured by one: the priest Kor Phaeron.

 

Crimson King trade paperback releases in December.



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"Greatest conflict in the history of the Blood Angels."

So HH where their Primarch died wasn't a big deal?


Not being negative, but can't help the snark. Classic Saturday morning cartoon where every episode is the greatest conflict.

I will reserve judgement until it has been read.
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It reads as if Devastation of Baal is set in the current 40k timeline, taking into account the new Gathering Storm lore? This could be the start of a slew of such titles.



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It reads as if Devastation of Baal is set in the current 40k timeline, taking into account the new Gathering Storm lore? This could be the start of a slew of such titles.


Yea there's mixed feelings about that for sure. Again, withholding judgement.

Call me Indy. It's less syllables.

 

 

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Sounds very much like it'll pick up from where Dante ends, which in turn followed on from Shield of Baal.



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It reads as if Devastation of Baal is set in the current 40k timeline, taking into account the new Gathering Storm lore? This could be the start of a slew of such titles.

They do note that the SMB series is being 'relaunched' so I think that's a safe bet.



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"Greatest conflict in the history of the Blood Angels."

So HH where their Primarch died wasn't a big deal?


Not being negative, but can't help the snark. Classic Saturday morning cartoon where every episode is the greatest conflict.

I will reserve judgement until it has been read.

Dev. of Baal is a direct continuation for the Reynolds 'Shield of Baal' serie and for Haley 'Dante' book. It is better read in that order. And yes it is an apocalyptic conflict  - on grandeur scale. Massive Lethiavan tyranid tendril directly target Baal - that's HUNDREDS of Hive ships.

 

It is set in 999 M40K right before/in 'events' of Gathering Storm.



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"Greatest conflict in the history of the Blood Angels."

So HH where their Primarch died wasn't a big deal?


Not being negative, but can't help the snark. Classic Saturday morning cartoon where every episode is the greatest conflict.

I will reserve judgement until it has been read.

Dev. of Baal is a direct continuation for the Reynolds 'Shield of Baal' serie and for Haley 'Dante' book. It is better read in that order. And yes it is an apocalyptic conflict - on grandeur scale. Massive Lethiavan tyranid tendril directly target Baal - that's HUNDREDS of Hive ships.

It is set in 999 M40K right before/in 'events' of Gathering Storm.

Oh yea, I get that. I was quipping more at the tone of 40k in general. Kind of "laughing with" more than "laughing at."
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Call me Indy. It's less syllables.

 

 

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"Greatest conflict in the history of the Blood Angels."

So HH where their Primarch died wasn't a big deal?


Not being negative, but can't help the snark. Classic Saturday morning cartoon where every episode is the greatest conflict.

I will reserve judgement until it has been read.

Dev. of Baal is a direct continuation for the Reynolds 'Shield of Baal' serie and for Haley 'Dante' book. It is better read in that order. And yes it is an apocalyptic conflict - on grandeur scale. Massive Lethiavan tyranid tendril directly target Baal - that's HUNDREDS of Hive ships.

It is set in 999 M40K right before/in 'events' of Gathering Storm.

Oh yea, I get that. I was quipping more at the tone of 40k in general. Kind of "laughing with" more than "laughing at."

 

Strangely I think Dev of Baal would be much better than Dante. Through it would be a solid bolter porn for some part whistling.gif



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There's a Deathwatch omnibus coming up. It mainly names Ian St. Martin (Legends of the Dark Millennium: Deathwatch?), Justin D. Hill (Storm of Damocles?) and Steve Parker (Deathwatch) for it and says there's a dozen of short stories included.

 

The short stories may be Deathwatch: Xenos Hunters (10 stories), Deathwatch: Ignition (11 stories), Deathwatch: Swordwind or Whiteout, I'd wager.

 

Ignition I believe is still due a paperback release, so I'd think it'd be Xenos Hunters and the two separate shorts since those have not been in print. However, Fehervari's Sanctuary of Wyrms has been included in The Tau Empire/Shas'o already, not that it'd stop them from printing it in another omnibus.

 

Honestly though, I'm bummed about the Legends of the Dark Millennium novel being collected before going to paperback. I was surprised there wasn't another release in months, but I was looking forward to getting this one in TPB.



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There's a Deathwatch omnibus coming up. It mainly names Ian St. Martin (Legends of the Dark Millennium: Deathwatch?), Justin D. Hill (Storm of Damocles?) and Steve Parker (Deathwatch) for it and says there's a dozen of short stories included.

 

The short stories may be Deathwatch: Xenos Hunters (10 stories), Deathwatch: Ignition (11 stories), Deathwatch: Swordwind or Whiteout, I'd wager.

 

Ignition I believe is still due a paperback release, so I'd think it'd be Xenos Hunters and the two separate shorts since those have not been in print. However, Fehervari's Sanctuary of Wyrms has been included in The Tau Empire/Shas'o already, not that it'd stop them from printing it in another omnibus.

 

Honestly though, I'm bummed about the Legends of the Dark Millennium novel being collected before going to paperback. I was surprised there wasn't another release in months, but I was looking forward to getting this one in TPB.

Storm of Damocles is good, same as Parker 'Deathwatch'  - the shorts are horrible.



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Wow, good spot Dark Chaplin... this looks to be amazing value for money considering the sheer amount of content, some of which i believe is out of print too...

 

Deathwatch: The Omnibus


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I'm behind on Omnibus releases right now due to various reasons, but damn if they're not hitting it off nicely with them right now. There was a big gap in omnibus releases which annoyed me, but now they're even reprinting Time of Legends again and seeing Macharius, Ahriman, Deathwatch and co in the wild is great.






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