b1soul Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 So Magnus was shattered into aspects when he warned the Emp That means Russ fought an aspect of Magnus and further shattered that aspect into smaller splinters. Am I getting this right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 i thought only russ shattered him but i got the feeling there's something going with tutelaries and shards. possible time travel shenanigans? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Drekkan Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 The warp did it once again :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 One of the theories: Magnus shattered and his shards were scattered across the galaxy. All are linked to the warp or are mostly within it. As the warp is timeless, it CAN be that the Legions tutelaries are in fact shards of the future, shattered Magnus. Though they were once indicated to be demons, it could be secretly retconned these days. Maybe I'm wrong. But as far as I've understood it, the being at the end of The Last Son of Prospero is an amalgation of Arvida and his tutelary (which is either be a demon or a shard) and (depending on what hos tutelary is) a shard of Magnus. Most likely I see ghosts but I like that possible origin of the GK. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I don't think Magnus was shattered into parts when he tried to warn The Emperor. I do think that Magnus willingly has created shards of himself to achieve things since he left the mortal plain. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 So Magnus was shattered into aspects when he warned the Emp That means Russ fought an aspect of Magnus and further shattered that aspect into smaller splinters. Am I getting this right? As explained in Magnus and Crimson King and Inferno - he was truly shattered into shards then Russ broke his back. As for the 'Last son of Prospero' - Magnus Echo (formed during his ritual and warp breach) simply wait for the one to set it free or make usage to it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hopkins Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I just realised the Thousand Sons didn't have Tutelaries in the Magnis primarch book Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I just realised the Thousand Sons didn't have Tutelaries in the Magnis primarch book Cause it's years before Magnus explained tutelaries to them. Azhek is not even Chief Librarian and the most powerful after Magnus here Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 So Magnus was shattered into aspects when he warned the Emp That means Russ fought an aspect of Magnus and further shattered that aspect into smaller splinters. Am I getting this right? Sort of. It's not made entirely clear whether Magnus was entirely shattered during the attempted warning, as the exact wording of the passage is: ‘One of many. The Crimson King has been broken, shattered like a mirror thrown in anger. It began when he breached the wards on Terra, and it was ended by the Wolf’s wrath. No, Jaghatai, he is not dead. He has become legion.’ I personally read nothing about size of shards/splinters, rather that he hadn't been fully 'shattered' apart until Russ wrecked his spine on Prospero. The way I look at it parts of him started to break off when he Kool-Aid-Man'd his way through the Webway Wards and the rest was splintered on Prospero. This seems to be supported by a further statement made by the Terran shard itself: ‘We are on Terra,’ said the giant, lifting his chin. ‘That is where I came, to warn my Father. The rest of me went back, but I remained.’ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Roomsky Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 Judging by the quote, it definitely sounds like breaching the webway "cracked him", but he didn't actually "shatter" until Russ Bane'd him. It was the first part of the road to splintering, not an actual splintering in itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarkaira Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 I thought about finding yaoi on Russ and Magnus when I saw the thread but bitterly it wasn't so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 Actually, judging by this language (thanks Apothecary) . . . ‘One of many. The Crimson King has been broken, shattered like a mirror thrown in anger. It began when he breached the wards on Terra, and it was ended by the Wolf’s wrath. No, Jaghatai, he is not dead. He has become legion.’ . . . it's all rather unclear It seems he left a piece of himself at the Palace when he warned the Emp...or did Arvida's shard simply follow him to the Palace? Did Magnus "crack" and then shatter or did he shatter once and then again? I think Magnus finally shattered when he cast his teleportation spell, no? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted February 22, 2017 Share Posted February 22, 2017 When you put the two passages together, it becomes much more clear, IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 22, 2017 Author Share Posted February 22, 2017 You mean this? ‘We are on Terra,’ said the giant, lifting his chin. ‘That is where I came, to warn my Father. The rest of me went back, but I remained.’ Ah, yes... So Magnus left behind a piece of himself when he warned his father. Rest of him went back to Prospero, fought Russ, back broken, cast the spell Result: A whole bunch of magnus fragments Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 All of this should become a damn lot clearer when The Crimson King releases. At this point there's so many different interpretations I'm resigning myself to patience. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 I feel Warp shenanigans can be addressed much as old Joe does time travel in Looper. "It's a precise description of a fuzzy mechanism. It's messy." But yeah, the suggestion I take is also that Magnus put his soul under some strain by breaching the wards of the Dungeon, and the general cataclysm of the duel and his pact with Tzeentch shattered his soul. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b1soul Posted February 23, 2017 Author Share Posted February 23, 2017 Magnus left a part of himself on Terra when he breached the Palace wards...that seems quite clear Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bluntblade Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Yeah, memory lapse on my part Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
helterskelter Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 There's a short story explaining this partially and tells you what happens to Arvida and a magnus shard, I'm sure most of us here read about it when it popped up in a different thread. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mellow Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Yes the shard ... merges with and cures the flesh change in the thousand son Presumably the rest of Magnus is just back in one place until the whole burning of the Fenrisian system where he leaves parts all over the place as "clues" Multiple personality syndrome Warp edition Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karthak Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 So is all of Magnus a Daemon Prince of Tzeentch, or just some of his shards, or none of them? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkChaplain Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 Depends on when exactly he ascended. The shards thing isn't anything new, we've known he was shattered as far back as Battle of the Fang, where the Great Wolf guy "kills" the supposedly last errant fragment needed to let Magnus be somewhat whole again. By the Battle he was mighty, but didn't showcase wings and stuff yet. But then he was also able to shape himself in some ways, so we can't really say anything for certain until it is spelled out that he ascended to daemonhood, rather than being an amalgam of half-psychic shards. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Apothecary Vaddon Posted February 23, 2017 Share Posted February 23, 2017 There's a short story explaining this partially and tells you what happens to Arvida and a magnus shard, I'm sure most of us here read about it when it popped up in a different thread. Yes, that would be the short named in the OP... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HeritorA Posted March 9, 2017 Share Posted March 9, 2017 Yes the shard ... merges with and cures the flesh change in the thousand son Presumably the rest of Magnus is just back in one place until the whole burning of the Fenrisian system where he leaves parts all over the place as "clues" Multiple personality syndrome Warp edition Wow lol. But from any point of view that's exactly what happened. So is all of Magnus a Daemon Prince of Tzeentch, or just some of his shards, or none of them? In Warzone Fenris - late W40K Magnus is a full Daemon Prince. So it's all of them under 1 hood. Depends on when exactly he ascended. The shards thing isn't anything new, we've known he was shattered as far back as Battle of the Fang, where the Great Wolf guy "kills" the supposedly last errant fragment needed to let Magnus be somewhat whole again. By the Battle he was mighty, but didn't showcase wings and stuff yet. But then he was also able to shape himself in some ways, so we can't really say anything for certain until it is spelled out that he ascended to daemonhood, rather than being an amalgam of half-psychic shards. And old man figurehead was exactly the shard figure. Then he was killed - Magnus was able to coalescent into a major form on Fenris Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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