Pr3Mu5 Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 1am and I have finished the book Brothers... WOW I must admit that it was a bit of a roller coaster emotionally and I did well up a little with joy at the vision of his rising from the auto relicary to cleave that Bezerker in two. A sight to behold it must have been. And the scene where his companions can only watch as Fateweaver and his followers bind him in his of torment as he tries in futility to fight on through the daemons besetting the bridge of the Macragge's Honour. I can only imagine the utter grief at seeing Guilliman bound and being helpless to aid him. So much in that story to draw up emotion, probably amplified by the background music of Gregiorio Allegri's choral masterpieces I have been playing during my evening buried in this book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I hear you, brother! One thing that irked me early on was the overuse of Stormravens in the story. Like...Thunderhawks are the main gunship darn it! But it looks like they're in the story quite a bit in the second act, so that's cool. Still reading. Page 47. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder_god Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Ive been plowing through since I've been home. You're right Seahawk: When the Primarch awakes, I got goose bumps. It was a glorious moment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Act II was decent, Act III was mediocre. Overall, a ripping good yarn full of lots of new information for me to input. I'm going to have to reread some fluff, because I think they royally screwed up with the Blackstone but maybe they didn't. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 I was looking at the new map of Ultramar and I count about 27 planets (28 if planetoids were included) instead of the 11 that were previously stated. Maybe the planet count for Ultramar should be updated? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 Oh without a doubt. I'm pretty sure the old map only covered each system's main planet; now we have the other planets in the system, for some of them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted March 12, 2017 Share Posted March 12, 2017 This means the population is much bigger than I thought. I previously assumed it was 4.4 billion when I was doing my Ultramar vs. Tau Empire post but now it seems like its more than 10 times that number. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 12, 2017 Author Share Posted March 12, 2017 Well, Guilliman has decreed the 500 worlds should re-unite so... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Daigo Cannon Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Keep the discussion brothers, I will not receive my copy in 3 more weeks U.U and I'm really eager to know about the facts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lords of Preyspire Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 Well.....now I have to get it. I can't wait to see the updated map! I hope Varsavia is included. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seahawk Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 It isn't. There are expanded views of the following systems: Macragge, Veridian, Masali, and Talasa. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lords of Preyspire Posted March 13, 2017 Share Posted March 13, 2017 It isn't. There are expanded views of the following systems: Macragge, Veridian, Masali, and Talasa. Raaaaats. Yeah I picked up the digital version. I thought it was going to be the classic space marine map with updated boarders and stuff like that. Ah well, still looking forward to it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
derLumpi Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Finished mine yesterday. Wow, after I realized that you have to read not like 'usual' book it's really good. The part on Luna where he battled Magnus with the maidens on his side was just awesome and shows that he can deliver if he has to. Just awesome. What I do like about the successors is that as an UM player you have an excuse now to use different painted Tacticals in you army. :D Whta I didn't like. Tigurius disobeying a direct order form Marneus. That was way to quick. Would have liked a bit of development there. Overall nice book. And I shot the primarch for 20€. Woohoo! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thunder_god Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Nice snag on the Primarch model. I'm thinking of getting a second one and seeing how I can repose him. It will take a lot of work, but I have this crazy idea... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Frater Cornelius Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 Picked mine up today. I will get rid of the other two characters. Big G is getting a minor overhaul as well. It will be so fun <3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix01 Posted March 14, 2017 Share Posted March 14, 2017 I'm still waiting on mine to come in. I ordered it last Thursday and apparently it won't arrive until next Monday. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I'm starting to wonder if Guilliman's decision to take Cato Sicarius as the commander of his Ultramarine force (1st, 2nd and 3rd companies) on his journey to Terra was in part...political. Cato has long vied for the position of Chapter Master and much of the 2nd company seems to ascribe to this notion as well, despite the fact that it is unheard of for a second company captain to go straight to chapter master. Perhaps Guilliman saw his ambition and realised that he would definitely undermine the leadership of whoever he left behind to guard Ultramar. Therefore, he took Cato with him because he would be far away from Chapter politics and in a place where the primarch could keep an eye on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Ed Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I'm starting to wonder if Guilliman's decision to take Cato Sicarius as the commander of his Ultramarine force (1st, 2nd and 3rd companies) on his journey to Terra was in part...political. Cato has long vied for the position of Chapter Master and much of the 2nd company seems to ascribe to this notion as well, despite the fact that it is unheard of for a second company captain to go straight to chapter master. Perhaps Guilliman saw his ambition and realised that he would definitely undermine the leadership of whoever he left behind to guard Ultramar. Therefore, he took Cato with him because he would be far away from Chapter politics and in a place where the primarch could keep an eye on him. Or... OR... And bear with me on this... Instead of reading into it and acting like a character flaw introduced to add flavor and humanity to a transhuman super-warrior monk is indicative of a defective Space Marine, we remember that Cato is a brilliant commander, respected by his men, and the most skilled combatant of a generation of transhuman super-warrior monks. He's commander of the Victrix Guard because of course he is. The primarch marches to fire and battle...into the braying of the very dogs of hell. Ultramar's best follow. And they are led by Cato Sicarius. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I'm starting to wonder if Guilliman's decision to take Cato Sicarius as the commander of his Ultramarine force (1st, 2nd and 3rd companies) on his journey to Terra was in part...political. Cato has long vied for the position of Chapter Master and much of the 2nd company seems to ascribe to this notion as well, despite the fact that it is unheard of for a second company captain to go straight to chapter master. Perhaps Guilliman saw his ambition and realised that he would definitely undermine the leadership of whoever he left behind to guard Ultramar. Therefore, he took Cato with him because he would be far away from Chapter politics and in a place where the primarch could keep an eye on him. Or... OR... And bear with me on this... Instead of reading into it and acting like a character flaw introduced to add flavor and humanity to a transhuman super-warrior monk is indicative of a defective Space Marine, we remember that Cato is a brilliant commander, respected by his men, and the most skilled combatant of a generation of transhuman super-warrior monks. He's commander of the Victrix Guard because of course he is. The primarch marches to fire and battle...into the braying of the very dogs of hell. Ultramar's best follow. And they are led by Cato Sicarius. Heh, I understand your point. However, Fall of Damnos does go into the politicking quite a bit. There it is revealed that Cato has been having shady meetings with the senators and legates on Maccrage and is fostering a very separatist attitude within his company. The older veterans want no part in it but the new recruits are slowly starting to share in the idea of Cato being the new chapter master. Severus Agemman notices this of course and sends a small 1st company "reinforcement" to keep an eye on him. All in all, I really do hope this aspect of the Ultramarines is further expanded upon. It really fits their Roman motif Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
IronDrake28 Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I'm with Ed. Sicarius is a badass. Reckless maybe, but striving to do his best. It's kind of like the in-universe 'rumour' that the Ultramarines absorbed the lost legions. Some people in-universe see Sicarius vying for command of the chapter and assume malicious intent. Every marine should be fighting as hard as he can in every situation! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I'm with Ed. Sicarius is a badass. Reckless maybe, but striving to do his best. It's kind of like the in-universe 'rumour' that the Ultramarines absorbed the lost legions. Some people in-universe see Sicarius vying for command of the chapter and assume malicious intent. Every marine should be fighting as hard as he can in every situation! Oh I don't doubt that he believes he is doing whats best for the Chapter. In fact, thats the exact reasoning he uses to justify his stance in Fall of Damnos. He believes it is in the chapter's best interest that he succeed Lord Calgar, not Agemman. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Ed Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 I'm with Ed. Sicarius is a badass. Reckless maybe, but striving to do his best. It's kind of like the in-universe 'rumour' that the Ultramarines absorbed the lost legions. Some people in-universe see Sicarius vying for command of the chapter and assume malicious intent. Every marine should be fighting as hard as he can in every situation! Oh I don't doubt that he believes he is doing whats best for the Chapter. In fact, thats the exact reasoning he uses to justify his stance in Fall of Damnos. He believes it is in the chapter's best interest that he succeed Lord Calgar, not Agemman. He might be right. And it would mean that Calgar is not the leader of men we are told he is if all this is brewing and he's still very much alive and well. Either way, Cato is on Terra because he's the primarch's man now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 If you guys listen to the Chapter Tactics podcast I appear on the latest episode to discuss GSIII Me and Pablo decide that Guilliman can break the 4th wall and takes Cato because he's protected by Plot armour :-P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DogWelder Posted March 15, 2017 Share Posted March 15, 2017 If you guys listen to the Chapter Tactics podcast I appear on the latest episode to discuss GSIII Me and Pablo decide that Guilliman can break the 4th wall and takes Cato because he's protected by Plot armour :-P Do you have a link? I'm with Ed. Sicarius is a badass. Reckless maybe, but striving to do his best. It's kind of like the in-universe 'rumour' that the Ultramarines absorbed the lost legions. Some people in-universe see Sicarius vying for command of the chapter and assume malicious intent. Every marine should be fighting as hard as he can in every situation! Oh I don't doubt that he believes he is doing whats best for the Chapter. In fact, thats the exact reasoning he uses to justify his stance in Fall of Damnos. He believes it is in the chapter's best interest that he succeed Lord Calgar, not Agemman. He might be right. And it would mean that Calgar is not the leader of men we are told he is if all this is brewing and he's still very much alive and well. Either way, Cato is on Terra because he's the primarch's man now. Oh? What do you mean by that? I'm curious. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishagu Posted March 15, 2017 Author Share Posted March 15, 2017 https://www.frontlinegaming.org/2017/03/11/chapter-tactics-23-guillimans-island-in-spaaaace/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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