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I believe it's out in ebook format today. Anyone have plans to pick it up or thoughts on how it is? I don't have much of an opinion on CZ Dunn, since Pandorax is the only other novel he's written as far as I know. The description on BL.com mentions the Ad Mech and guard as being involved, so hopefully it's more than just space marines killing orks.

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I'm looking forward to reading it at some point, but won't be able to make it a priority. Too much stuff left lying around, so I'm waiting on the paperback.

 

Hopefully it'll tie back to Dunn's other Dark Angels stories, like The Ascension of Balthasar, Dark Vengeance, his Deathwatch audio drama and Pandorax. At some point I'll get to his Crimson Slaughter novella too..

But yes, I think this is his second novel for BL, the rest was mostly shorts.


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Crimson Dawn was pretty good.  It gives a decent representation of the Crimson Sabres as dicks that most chapters don't want to work with, but in a very different way from, say, the Marines Malevolent.  I've read a few other stories by Dunn, and honestly none of them stick with me for very long.


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Crimson Dawn was sick.


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He wrote Malediction, which was awesome


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I'm looking forward to reading it at some point, but won't be able to make it a priority. Too much stuff left lying around, so I'm waiting on the paperback.

Hopefully it'll tie back to Dunn's other Dark Angels stories, like The Ascension of Balthasar, Dark Vengeance, his Deathwatch audio drama and Pandorax. At some point I'll get to his Crimson Slaughter novella too..
But yes, I think this is his second novel for BL, the rest was mostly shorts.


Balthasar is referenced in the extract as 'deserving a promotion to the Deathwing' so maybe it'll depict him as a younger marine, but it could also be a throwaway reference to him.

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It's in the pile. Love the cover art.
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Waaaay better than Pandorax. Gotta say that my initial reaction is that it was very good. Great characterizations of the Voyostran First Born. Also while you need not have read it, there was an awesome scene relating to Pandorax in it.

As a Dark Angel fan it was very refreshing. I'll sleep on it before reviewing.
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Waaaay better than Pandorax. Gotta say that my initial reaction is that it was very good. Great characterizations of the Voyostran First Born. Also while you need not have read it, there was an awesome scene relating to Pandorax in it.

As a Dark Angel fan it was very refreshing. I'll sleep on it before reviewing.

 

Good to hear. I enjoyed the scale of Pandorax, Dunn incorporated a lot of POV characters and factions in a way that felt organic to me. I'll have to keep an eye open for this then.

 

The Dark Angels need someone other than Thorpe to do them justice I feel. I haven't read his more recent Horus Heresy work (maybe it's great?) and I've enjoyed some of his writing on other races, but I'm reading The Unforgiven now and I just don't enjoy his image of the chapter. It's almost like they're teenagers in the bodies of space marines at times.


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Waaaay better than Pandorax. Gotta say that my initial reaction is that it was very good. Great characterizations of the Voyostran First Born. Also while you need not have read it, there was an awesome scene relating to Pandorax in it.

As a Dark Angel fan it was very refreshing. I'll sleep on it before reviewing.

Indeed - way better than Pandorax. It would have been a 'good' novel if not for the orks.

 

That's as a DA fan and simply as a reader who want to get a good story. As for who do DA better  - Gav or Dunn  - it's easy: both Thorpe or Dunn do lucklaster DA. Poor DA are the third Legion/Chapter  (after Salamanders/Raven Guard) to suffer from bad writing.



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Waaaay better than Pandorax. Gotta say that my initial reaction is that it was very good. Great characterizations of the Voyostran First Born. Also while you need not have read it, there was an awesome scene relating to Pandorax in it.

As a Dark Angel fan it was very refreshing. I'll sleep on it before reviewing.

Indeed - way better than Pandorax. It would have been a 'good' novel if not for the orks.

 

That's as a DA fan and simply as a reader who want to get a good story. As for who do DA better  - Gav or Dunn  - it's easy: both Thorpe or Dunn do lucklaster DA. Poor DA are the third Legion/Chapter  (after Salamanders/Raven Guard) to suffer from bad writing.

 

 

I'm curious, how many times do you read a book before you consign it to a scrapheap of mediocrity?  I find that I need to read a book a couple of times before making a fully informed decision as invariably I discover that I've missed things out first time round if I've read something within 2 days of release.


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Can we have spoilers please pretty please? teehee.gif



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Waaaay better than Pandorax. Gotta say that my initial reaction is that it was very good. Great characterizations of the Voyostran First Born. Also while you need not have read it, there was an awesome scene relating to Pandorax in it.

As a Dark Angel fan it was very refreshing. I'll sleep on it before reviewing.

Indeed - way better than Pandorax. It would have been a 'good' novel if not for the orks.

 

That's as a DA fan and simply as a reader who want to get a good story. As for who do DA better  - Gav or Dunn  - it's easy: both Thorpe or Dunn do lucklaster DA. Poor DA are the third Legion/Chapter  (after Salamanders/Raven Guard) to suffer from bad writing.

 

 

I'm curious, how many times do you read a book before you consign it to a scrapheap of mediocrity?  I find that I need to read a book a couple of times before making a fully informed decision as invariably discover that I've missed things out first time round if I've read something within 2 days of release.

 

Usually I read book 2 times (before I critisize something - I read material). On the second reread it has not improved my opinion about it. Same with the Vulkan Lives, Deathfire, Corax anthology, Ravenwing, Purging of Kadillus  - which are an abyssmal read



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Fair dos. 336 pages twice in 3 days is reading at a pace that far outstrips by own. 


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Waaaay better than Pandorax. Gotta say that my initial reaction is that it was very good. Great characterizations of the Voyostran First Born. Also while you need not have read it, there was an awesome scene relating to Pandorax in it.

As a Dark Angel fan it was very refreshing. I'll sleep on it before reviewing.

Indeed - way better than Pandorax. It would have been a 'good' novel if not for the orks.

That's as a DA fan and simply as a reader who want to get a good story. As for who do DA better - Gav or Dunn - it's easy: both Thorpe or Dunn do lucklaster DA. Poor DA are the third Legion/Chapter (after Salamanders/Raven Guard) to suffer from bad writing.

I'm curious, how many times do you read a book before you consign it to a scrapheap of mediocrity? I find that I need to read a book a couple of times before making a fully informed decision as invariably discover that I've missed things out first time round if I've read something within 2 days of release.
Usually I read book 2 times (before I critisize something - I read material). On the second reread it has not improved my opinion about it. Same with the Vulkan Lives, Deathfire, Corax anthology, Ravenwing, Purging of Kadillus - which are an abyssmal read

So you've read Eye of Ezekiel twice since it came out on Friday and formed a conclusive opinion on it? I find even once I've finished a book its themes and characters sit and percolate in my head. For me at least that's an important part of softening initial judgements, both positive and negative. To each their own though.
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Waaaay better than Pandorax. Gotta say that my initial reaction is that it was very good. Great characterizations of the Voyostran First Born. Also while you need not have read it, there was an awesome scene relating to Pandorax in it.

As a Dark Angel fan it was very refreshing. I'll sleep on it before reviewing.

Indeed - way better than Pandorax. It would have been a 'good' novel if not for the orks.

That's as a DA fan and simply as a reader who want to get a good story. As for who do DA better - Gav or Dunn - it's easy: both Thorpe or Dunn do lucklaster DA. Poor DA are the third Legion/Chapter (after Salamanders/Raven Guard) to suffer from bad writing.

I'm curious, how many times do you read a book before you consign it to a scrapheap of mediocrity? I find that I need to read a book a couple of times before making a fully informed decision as invariably discover that I've missed things out first time round if I've read something within 2 days of release.
Usually I read book 2 times (before I critisize something - I read material). On the second reread it has not improved my opinion about it. Same with the Vulkan Lives, Deathfire, Corax anthology, Ravenwing, Purging of Kadillus - which are an abyssmal read

So you've read Eye of Ezekiel twice since it came out on Friday and formed a conclusive opinion on it? I find even once I've finished a book its themes and characters sit and percolate in my head. For me at least that's an important part of softening initial judgements, both positive and negative. To each their own though.

 

 

While that is the case for a good and layered book, some just aren't (this doesn't apply to Eye of Ezekiel, I know nothing about it). Any book I have a good enough time reading heads onto the shelf for another (some day), but some works are just insufferable and its entirely reasonable to give them the boot. I don't name names but there have been BL works that have made my eyes glaze over, and there's not much reason besides masochism to try them again.


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Waaaay better than Pandorax. Gotta say that my initial reaction is that it was very good. Great characterizations of the Voyostran First Born. Also while you need not have read it, there was an awesome scene relating to Pandorax in it.

As a Dark Angel fan it was very refreshing. I'll sleep on it before reviewing.

Indeed - way better than Pandorax. It would have been a 'good' novel if not for the orks.

That's as a DA fan and simply as a reader who want to get a good story. As for who do DA better - Gav or Dunn - it's easy: both Thorpe or Dunn do lucklaster DA. Poor DA are the third Legion/Chapter (after Salamanders/Raven Guard) to suffer from bad writing.
I'm curious, how many times do you read a book before you consign it to a scrapheap of mediocrity? I find that I need to read a book a couple of times before making a fully informed decision as invariably discover that I've missed things out first time round if I've read something within 2 days of release.
Usually I read book 2 times (before I critisize something - I read material). On the second reread it has not improved my opinion about it. Same with the Vulkan Lives, Deathfire, Corax anthology, Ravenwing, Purging of Kadillus - which are an abyssmal read
So you've read Eye of Ezekiel twice since it came out on Friday and formed a conclusive opinion on it? I find even once I've finished a book its themes and characters sit and percolate in my head. For me at least that's an important part of softening initial judgements, both positive and negative. To each their own though.

While that is the case for a good and layered book, some just aren't (this doesn't apply to Eye of Ezekiel, I know nothing about it). Any book I have a good enough time reading heads onto the shelf for another (some day), but some works are just insufferable and its entirely reasonable to give them the boot. I don't name names but there have been BL works that have made my eyes glaze over, and there's not much reason besides masochism to try them again.

Fair point, if there's absolutely nothing enjoyable about a work of fiction then there's not much point in reflecting on it once it's over. Even with a bad book though I feel that some time (not necessarily any active reflection or what not) helps me articulate why I don't like it. Not that that's necessarily the case for everyone of course.

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Certainly. I feel in the case of a wide IP, books have more stacked against them as well. For me personally, poor writing isnt the only thing that can turn me away, so can egregious examples of continuity snarl or characters acting in ways that make me feel like I'm going to blow a blood vessel. I can't stand a lot of Tau stories because they have a bad case of just being blue humans, so there's another thing that would make me drop a story beyond simple literary quality or depth.

 

As for Eye of Ezekiel, I'm interested to see how I take to it. A new author getting his hands on a Chapter/Legion that has long gotten the literary shaft (IMO) is an exciting prospect. 


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Certainly. I feel in the case of a wide IP, books have more stacked against them as well. For me personally, poor writing isnt the only thing that can turn me away, so can egregious examples of continuity snarl or characters acting in ways that make me feel like I'm going to blow a blood vessel. I can't stand a lot of Tau stories because they have a bad case of just being blue humans, so there's another thing that would make me drop a story beyond simple literary quality or depth.

As for Eye of Ezekiel, I'm interested to see how I take to it. A new author getting his hands on a Chapter/Legion that has long gotten the literary shaft (IMO) is an exciting prospect.


I can look past some continuity issues with 40k since the setting seems built on the idea of history and truth being unreliable (at least my image of it), but poor characterization, or no characterization at all, is certainly a major issue in some BL fiction. Feels like it's gotten better recently with what is, as I understand it, the return to more author driven works, but in a shared universe as broad as 40k there'll inevitably be some duds.

The Eye of Ezekiel seems interesting. Heavy focus on the Mechanicum and Vostroyans as well as the Dark Angels, and varied perspectives are always a good thing in my mind. Part of my issue with a lot of other Dark Angels fiction is the lack of interaction between them and the Imperium at large, which seems odd for a chapter as divided between their service to the Imperium and the ghosts of their past as they are.
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Waaaay better than Pandorax. Gotta say that my initial reaction is that it was very good. Great characterizations of the Voyostran First Born. Also while you need not have read it, there was an awesome scene relating to Pandorax in it.

As a Dark Angel fan it was very refreshing. I'll sleep on it before reviewing.

Indeed - way better than Pandorax. It would have been a 'good' novel if not for the orks.

That's as a DA fan and simply as a reader who want to get a good story. As for who do DA better - Gav or Dunn - it's easy: both Thorpe or Dunn do lucklaster DA. Poor DA are the third Legion/Chapter (after Salamanders/Raven Guard) to suffer from bad writing.

I'm curious, how many times do you read a book before you consign it to a scrapheap of mediocrity? I find that I need to read a book a couple of times before making a fully informed decision as invariably discover that I've missed things out first time round if I've read something within 2 days of release.
Usually I read book 2 times (before I critisize something - I read material). On the second reread it has not improved my opinion about it. Same with the Vulkan Lives, Deathfire, Corax anthology, Ravenwing, Purging of Kadillus - which are an abyssmal read

So you've read Eye of Ezekiel twice since it came out on Friday and formed a conclusive opinion on it? I find even once I've finished a book its themes and characters sit and percolate in my head. For me at least that's an important part of softening initial judgements, both positive and negative. To each their own though.

 

Usually they do - if a book is good, if it's story is well written and has some meaning.  Then the book would be read again and enjoyed. Slamanders, DA and Raven Guard simply rolled a rong dice to have been written in bad stories

 

 

Certainly. I feel in the case of a wide IP, books have more stacked against them as well. For me personally, poor writing isnt the only thing that can turn me away, so can egregious examples of continuity snarl or characters acting in ways that make me feel like I'm going to blow a blood vessel. I can't stand a lot of Tau stories because they have a bad case of just being blue humans, so there's another thing that would make me drop a story beyond simple literary quality or depth.

 

As for Eye of Ezekiel, I'm interested to see how I take to it. A new author getting his hands on a Chapter/Legion that has long gotten the literary shaft (IMO) is an exciting prospect. 

Dunn is not a new author. As for all else I agree with you



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Waaaay better than Pandorax. Gotta say that my initial reaction is that it was very good. Great characterizations of the Voyostran First Born. Also while you need not have read it, there was an awesome scene relating to Pandorax in it.

As a Dark Angel fan it was very refreshing. I'll sleep on it before reviewing.

Indeed - way better than Pandorax. It would have been a 'good' novel if not for the orks.

That's as a DA fan and simply as a reader who want to get a good story. As for who do DA better - Gav or Dunn - it's easy: both Thorpe or Dunn do lucklaster DA. Poor DA are the third Legion/Chapter (after Salamanders/Raven Guard) to suffer from bad writing.
I'm curious, how many times do you read a book before you consign it to a scrapheap of mediocrity? I find that I need to read a book a couple of times before making a fully informed decision as invariably discover that I've missed things out first time round if I've read something within 2 days of release.
Usually I read book 2 times (before I critisize something - I read material). On the second reread it has not improved my opinion about it. Same with the Vulkan Lives, Deathfire, Corax anthology, Ravenwing, Purging of Kadillus - which are an abyssmal read
So you've read Eye of Ezekiel twice since it came out on Friday and formed a conclusive opinion on it? I find even once I've finished a book its themes and characters sit and percolate in my head. For me at least that's an important part of softening initial judgements, both positive and negative. To each their own though.
Usually they do - if a book is good, if it's story is well written and has some meaning. Then the book would be read again and enjoyed. Slamanders, DA and Raven Guard simply rolled a rong dice to have been written in bad stories

Certainly. I feel in the case of a wide IP, books have more stacked against them as well. For me personally, poor writing isnt the only thing that can turn me away, so can egregious examples of continuity snarl or characters acting in ways that make me feel like I'm going to blow a blood vessel. I can't stand a lot of Tau stories because they have a bad case of just being blue humans, so there's another thing that would make me drop a story beyond simple literary quality or depth.

As for Eye of Ezekiel, I'm interested to see how I take to it. A new author getting his hands on a Chapter/Legion that has long gotten the literary shaft (IMO) is an exciting prospect.

Dunn is not a new author. As for all else I agree with you

Agreed on the Salamanders and DA's. I feel with the Raven Guard it's not so much bad writing as a lack of content. There's a few George Mann books, though like Dunn he's primarily an editor, and Thorpe's written two HH novels about them, but that's pretty much it. Both the Dark Angels and Salamanders have had far more written about them, unless there's a series I'm forgetting of course.

As for Dunn, while he may not be new his output for BL as a writer is small enough that people who don't remember Pandorax might not've heard of him.

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Waaaay better than Pandorax. Gotta say that my initial reaction is that it was very good. Great characterizations of the Voyostran First Born. Also while you need not have read it, there was an awesome scene relating to Pandorax in it.

As a Dark Angel fan it was very refreshing. I'll sleep on it before reviewing.

Indeed - way better than Pandorax. It would have been a 'good' novel if not for the orks.

That's as a DA fan and simply as a reader who want to get a good story. As for who do DA better - Gav or Dunn - it's easy: both Thorpe or Dunn do lucklaster DA. Poor DA are the third Legion/Chapter (after Salamanders/Raven Guard) to suffer from bad writing.
I'm curious, how many times do you read a book before you consign it to a scrapheap of mediocrity? I find that I need to read a book a couple of times before making a fully informed decision as invariably discover that I've missed things out first time round if I've read something within 2 days of release.
Usually I read book 2 times (before I critisize something - I read material). On the second reread it has not improved my opinion about it. Same with the Vulkan Lives, Deathfire, Corax anthology, Ravenwing, Purging of Kadillus - which are an abyssmal read
So you've read Eye of Ezekiel twice since it came out on Friday and formed a conclusive opinion on it? I find even once I've finished a book its themes and characters sit and percolate in my head. For me at least that's an important part of softening initial judgements, both positive and negative. To each their own though.
Usually they do - if a book is good, if it's story is well written and has some meaning. Then the book would be read again and enjoyed. Slamanders, DA and Raven Guard simply rolled a rong dice to have been written in bad stories

Certainly. I feel in the case of a wide IP, books have more stacked against them as well. For me personally, poor writing isnt the only thing that can turn me away, so can egregious examples of continuity snarl or characters acting in ways that make me feel like I'm going to blow a blood vessel. I can't stand a lot of Tau stories because they have a bad case of just being blue humans, so there's another thing that would make me drop a story beyond simple literary quality or depth.

As for Eye of Ezekiel, I'm interested to see how I take to it. A new author getting his hands on a Chapter/Legion that has long gotten the literary shaft (IMO) is an exciting prospect.

Dunn is not a new author. As for all else I agree with you

Agreed on the Salamanders and DA's. I feel with the Raven Guard it's not so much bad writing as a lack of content. There's a few George Mann books, though like Dunn he's primarily an editor, and Thorpe's written two HH novels about them, but that's pretty much it. Both the Dark Angels and Salamanders have had far more written about them, unless there's a series I'm forgetting of course.

As for Dunn, while he may not be new his output for BL as a writer is small enough that people who don't remember Pandorax might not've heard of him.

 

 

Yeah - Raven Guard got a better treatment in George Mann books in W40K. But in Hh they 'suffered' under Thorpe treatment. It was especially sad - cause their first arrival on big HH scene in 'Raven's Flight' audio was amazing (I even questioned if it was really written by Thorpe).  But at least it was 'far better' treatment than poor Salamanders. They simply were written straight into hell.

 

It's not only Pandorax - in the long past 2000-sh his name was on almost every BL anthology as an editor (Edited by C.Dunn and M.G.). What I could remember about Dunn in good light is his audio 'Malediction', which was unexpectedly good (being a standard DA story with Fallen 'involved')



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Waaaay better than Pandorax. Gotta say that my initial reaction is that it was very good. Great characterizations of the Voyostran First Born. Also while you need not have read it, there was an awesome scene relating to Pandorax in it.

As a Dark Angel fan it was very refreshing. I'll sleep on it before reviewing.

Indeed - way better than Pandorax. It would have been a 'good' novel if not for the orks.

That's as a DA fan and simply as a reader who want to get a good story. As for who do DA better - Gav or Dunn - it's easy: both Thorpe or Dunn do lucklaster DA. Poor DA are the third Legion/Chapter (after Salamanders/Raven Guard) to suffer from bad writing.
I'm curious, how many times do you read a book before you consign it to a scrapheap of mediocrity? I find that I need to read a book a couple of times before making a fully informed decision as invariably discover that I've missed things out first time round if I've read something within 2 days of release.
Usually I read book 2 times (before I critisize something - I read material). On the second reread it has not improved my opinion about it. Same with the Vulkan Lives, Deathfire, Corax anthology, Ravenwing, Purging of Kadillus - which are an abyssmal read
So you've read Eye of Ezekiel twice since it came out on Friday and formed a conclusive opinion on it? I find even once I've finished a book its themes and characters sit and percolate in my head. For me at least that's an important part of softening initial judgements, both positive and negative. To each their own though.
Usually they do - if a book is good, if it's story is well written and has some meaning. Then the book would be read again and enjoyed. Slamanders, DA and Raven Guard simply rolled a rong dice to have been written in bad stories

Certainly. I feel in the case of a wide IP, books have more stacked against them as well. For me personally, poor writing isnt the only thing that can turn me away, so can egregious examples of continuity snarl or characters acting in ways that make me feel like I'm going to blow a blood vessel. I can't stand a lot of Tau stories because they have a bad case of just being blue humans, so there's another thing that would make me drop a story beyond simple literary quality or depth.

As for Eye of Ezekiel, I'm interested to see how I take to it. A new author getting his hands on a Chapter/Legion that has long gotten the literary shaft (IMO) is an exciting prospect.

Dunn is not a new author. As for all else I agree with you
Agreed on the Salamanders and DA's. I feel with the Raven Guard it's not so much bad writing as a lack of content. There's a few George Mann books, though like Dunn he's primarily an editor, and Thorpe's written two HH novels about them, but that's pretty much it. Both the Dark Angels and Salamanders have had far more written about them, unless there's a series I'm forgetting of course.

As for Dunn, while he may not be new his output for BL as a writer is small enough that people who don't remember Pandorax might not've heard of him.

Yeah - Raven Guard got a better treatment in George Mann books in W40K. But in Hh they 'suffered' under Thorpe treatment. It was especially sad - cause their first arrival on big HH scene in 'Raven's Flight' audio was amazing (I even questioned if it was really written by Thorpe). But at least it was 'far better' treatment than poor Salamanders. They simply were written straight into hell.

It's not only Pandorax - in the long past 2000-sh his name was on almost every BL anthology as an editor (Edited by C.Dunn and M.G.). What I could remember about Dunn in good light is his audio 'Malediction', which was unexpectedly good (being a standard DA story with Fallen 'involved')

Thorpe surprises me sometimes like that. I'm not generally a big fan of his work, but every once in a while he'll hit on something really unique and enjoyable. I feel like moving away from space marines more would result in better writing from him, but that's just my opinion.

Good point about Dunn, that was before I really got into 40k novels. But I'm probably not alone in saying I remember the author of a book more prominently than the editor lol
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Waaaay better than Pandorax. Gotta say that my initial reaction is that it was very good. Great characterizations of the Voyostran First Born. Also while you need not have read it, there was an awesome scene relating to Pandorax in it.

As a Dark Angel fan it was very refreshing. I'll sleep on it before reviewing.

Indeed - way better than Pandorax. It would have been a 'good' novel if not for the orks.

That's as a DA fan and simply as a reader who want to get a good story. As for who do DA better - Gav or Dunn - it's easy: both Thorpe or Dunn do lucklaster DA. Poor DA are the third Legion/Chapter (after Salamanders/Raven Guard) to suffer from bad writing.
I'm curious, how many times do you read a book before you consign it to a scrapheap of mediocrity? I find that I need to read a book a couple of times before making a fully informed decision as invariably discover that I've missed things out first time round if I've read something within 2 days of release.
Usually I read book 2 times (before I critisize something - I read material). On the second reread it has not improved my opinion about it. Same with the Vulkan Lives, Deathfire, Corax anthology, Ravenwing, Purging of Kadillus - which are an abyssmal read
So you've read Eye of Ezekiel twice since it came out on Friday and formed a conclusive opinion on it? I find even once I've finished a book its themes and characters sit and percolate in my head. For me at least that's an important part of softening initial judgements, both positive and negative. To each their own though.
Usually they do - if a book is good, if it's story is well written and has some meaning. Then the book would be read again and enjoyed. Slamanders, DA and Raven Guard simply rolled a rong dice to have been written in bad stories

Certainly. I feel in the case of a wide IP, books have more stacked against them as well. For me personally, poor writing isnt the only thing that can turn me away, so can egregious examples of continuity snarl or characters acting in ways that make me feel like I'm going to blow a blood vessel. I can't stand a lot of Tau stories because they have a bad case of just being blue humans, so there's another thing that would make me drop a story beyond simple literary quality or depth.

As for Eye of Ezekiel, I'm interested to see how I take to it. A new author getting his hands on a Chapter/Legion that has long gotten the literary shaft (IMO) is an exciting prospect.

Dunn is not a new author. As for all else I agree with you
Agreed on the Salamanders and DA's. I feel with the Raven Guard it's not so much bad writing as a lack of content. There's a few George Mann books, though like Dunn he's primarily an editor, and Thorpe's written two HH novels about them, but that's pretty much it. Both the Dark Angels and Salamanders have had far more written about them, unless there's a series I'm forgetting of course.

As for Dunn, while he may not be new his output for BL as a writer is small enough that people who don't remember Pandorax might not've heard of him.
Yeah - Raven Guard got a better treatment in George Mann books in W40K. But in Hh they 'suffered' under Thorpe treatment. It was especially sad - cause their first arrival on big HH scene in 'Raven's Flight' audio was amazing (I even questioned if it was really written by Thorpe). But at least it was 'far better' treatment than poor Salamanders. They simply were written straight into hell.

It's not only Pandorax - in the long past 2000-sh his name was on almost every BL anthology as an editor (Edited by C.Dunn and M.G.). What I could remember about Dunn in good light is his audio 'Malediction', which was unexpectedly good (being a standard DA story with Fallen 'involved')
Thorpe surprises me sometimes like that. I'm not generally a big fan of his work, but every once in a while he'll hit on something really unique and enjoyable. I feel like moving away from space marines more would result in better writing from him, but that's just my opinion.

Part of the 'issue' I find with Gav is: his writing's usually very dry. His characters are fascinating depictions, but it's difficult to start gushing over them. (Though I was pleasantly surprised in "The Unforgiven", as well as his much more intriguing & evocative Fantasy work.)

40k being grim as it is means his is a bit more austere, a bit less... escapist.

Which isn't awful, hell - I *like* it - but I know it rubs some folk up the wrong way.

With that in mind, I'd generally agree - going for a more human angle really suits his writing; his Astartes can often be a bit too dour/serious/focussed for their own good (as engaging characters).
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