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Force thunderhammer outside of Grey Knights?


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Hello, Iron Hands has a force weapon similar to a force thunderhammer, whatever they are called, deamonhammer?

Could there be a situation where a Grey Knight gives his force thunderhammer to a marine librarian, perhaps for saving his life or something?

Fluffwise, possible?



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If I recall the fluff correctly, Nemesis force weapons (of which the Daemonhammer is a subtype) are given to Grey Knights at initiation and psychically attuned to them individually. Therefore, they're unlikely to pass them over to another GK, let alone someone outside the Chapter. Indeed, the most likely response the librarian is likely to get is: "Thanks very much, but now I'm going to have to wipe your memory...".

However, there are daemonhammers in use by Ordo Malleus Inquisitors, so it is possible that a Librarian who had rendered extraordinary service to the Ordo Malleus might be granted one.

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Gabriel Angelos also wields a daemon hammer from time to time (given to him by Inquisitor Toth) and he isn't even a Psyker, so there is at least some precedence of marines getting their hands on daemon hammers, but then again that is video games and C.S. Goto's work, so it might not be that canonical.



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Weren't you only able to get a daemon hammer after killing a greater daemon in the original fluff? So on that basis, I'd imagine anyone could get one potentially.

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Hello, Iron Hands has a force weapon similar to a force thunderhammer, whatever they are called, deamonhammer?

Could there be a situation where a Grey Knight gives his force thunderhammer to a marine librarian, perhaps for saving his life or something?

Fluffwise, possible?

 

 

No because nemesis weapons are attuned to the individual wielder, and cannot be used otherwise. The psychically resonant core of the weapon only responds to the soul of the warrior it was crafted for. The Soul Glaive is a rare exception to this, but even then only a suitably powerful Grey Knight can wield it successfully (as its the relic of one of the founding Grand Masters, like the Titansword that is the Supreme Grand Master's sole right to bear, essentially only a Grey Knight with the strength of Janus can wield it). 

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There's a lot of contradictions in GK fluff, such as Nemesis Force weapons being only attuned to one GK ... oh wait, OM Inquisitors can all have one!

Nemesis Force weapons can only be used by the single Psyker it's attuned to ... except for that relic, anyone can use that!

Grey Knights are so secretive no one outside of a select few know about them ... except for every Chapter Master, all the High Lords, every Imperial Guard Lord Commander, all every mom in the Imperium that just wants their little brat to eat their mush and go to bed!

So, yeah.

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So ... everyone knows about them except the truth?

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So, an Inquisitor could have given a Deamonhammer to a Librarian? Would it look like the hammers the Grey Knights carry?



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There's a lot of contradictions in GK fluff, such as Nemesis Force weapons being only attuned to one GK ... oh wait, OM Inquisitors can all have one!

Nemesis Force weapons can only be used by the single Psyker it's attuned to ... except for that relic, anyone can use that!

Grey Knights are so secretive no one outside of a select few know about them ... except for every Chapter Master, all the High Lords, every Imperial Guard Lord Commander, all every mom in the Imperium that just wants their little brat to eat their mush and go to bed!

So, yeah.

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Where's the contradiction? 

 

The GK are the Ordo Malleus' military arm so perhaps the GKs got the Daemonhammers off the Maleus Inquisitors not the other way round. Especially as the OMI was around PRIOR to the GKs.



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There's a lot of contradictions in GK fluff, such as Nemesis Force weapons being only attuned to one GK ... oh wait, OM Inquisitors can all have one!

Nemesis Force weapons can only be used by the single Psyker it's attuned to ... except for that relic, anyone can use that!

Grey Knights are so secretive no one outside of a select few know about them ... except for every Chapter Master, all the High Lords, every Imperial Guard Lord Commander, all every mom in the Imperium that just wants their little brat to eat their mush and go to bed!

So, yeah.

SJ

 

Where's the contradiction?

attuned to a specific person vs. can be gifted to someone else

Nobody knows about the inquisition  vs. mothers scare their children with the black ships. 



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There's a lot of contradictions in GK fluff, such as Nemesis Force weapons being only attuned to one GK ... oh wait, OM Inquisitors can all have one!

Nemesis Force weapons can only be used by the single Psyker it's attuned to ... except for that relic, anyone can use that!

Grey Knights are so secretive no one outside of a select few know about them ... except for every Chapter Master, all the High Lords, every Imperial Guard Lord Commander, all every mom in the Imperium that just wants their little brat to eat their mush and go to bed!

So, yeah.

SJ

 

Where's the contradiction?

attuned to a specific person vs. can be gifted to someone else

Nobody knows about the inquisition  vs. mothers scare their children with the black ships. 

 

 

I can gift you a pair of trousers and a tailor can make them fit you, I'm sure there's enough technology in 40k for the same analogy to work with a Daemonhammer.



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My point has always been that the truth lies somewhere between. Nemesis weapons are attuned, and most likely can be re-attuned. Force hammers are produced at an unusually high rate, and are not as finicky as other weapons on who gets to activate them (an MO Ing in TDA with a Daemonhammer but not a Psyker will still have his/her hammer activated if attached to a unit that successfully activates Force).

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I can gift you a pair of trousers and a tailor can make them fit you, I'm sure there's enough technology in 40k for the same analogy to work with a Daemonhammer.

While this is a reasonable assumption, I am pretty sure there is fluff that says that Daemonhammers cannot be reattuned.

 

Force hammers are produced at an unusually high rate, and are not as finicky as other weapons on who gets to activate them (an MO Ing in TDA with a Daemonhammer but not a Psyker will still have his/her hammer activated if attached to a unit that successfully activates Force).

Just don't ask GW about it. I'm pretty sure they will take it away.



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Want to throw in that the IH relic isn't actually a hammer, it's just a powerful staff/stave.

Edited by Raktra, 26 March 2017 - 01:53 AM.

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I can gift you a pair of trousers and a tailor can make them fit you, I'm sure there's enough technology in 40k for the same analogy to work with a Daemonhammer.

While this is a reasonable assumption, I am pretty sure there is fluff that says that Daemonhammers cannot be reattuned.

 

Force hammers are produced at an unusually high rate, and are not as finicky as other weapons on who gets to activate them (an MO Ing in TDA with a Daemonhammer but not a Psyker will still have his/her hammer activated if attached to a unit that successfully activates Force).

Just don't ask GW about it. I'm pretty sure they will take it away.

 

 

Maybe not reattuned but if the Daemonhammer is yet to be attuned then surely it can be gifted to anyone.






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