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Howdy folks.

I've got my first game of 40k in about two years on Thursday and I am busting out 1000 points of my BA successors The Crimson Lions in the hopes they can bring honor to our gene-father by vanquishing my buddies vile Necron Army (PS my guys are not friends with Necrons...)

 

After being out of the loop for a while in terms of gaming there have been some new things that have appeared and I am unsure of who should lead my army. I have quite a big squad of Death Company that I am taking with me and I am torn between two characters.

 

I have either

 

2nd Company Captain Arcas Myrto using Valour's Edge, Angels Wing, Artificer Armour and a grav-pistol

or

Unamed DC Chaplain using the Gilded Crozius and Grav Pistol which is far cheaper and allows another DC Marine.

 

They are both gonna be tucked up in a big scary blob of DC either Deepstriking in or storming across the field to smash his troopy robots to little tiny pieces.

 

Any advice or thoughts would be greatly appreciated I am super rusty.

 

*Admins I wasn't sure if this was going to be here for community advice or in lists? Sorry if it's in the wrong place


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I would go with the DC Chaplain for sure. All those rerolls are crazy, but you do have to watch out for challenges.



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It's fine here as it's not a list discussion :) How many DC are we talking about?

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Thanks Jolemai. I have squad of 10 so not all that big I suppose but  hefty chunk of my list but I do love a bit of a death star unit. I mean from doing a few test rolls I am leaning towards the chaplain as he appears to be a bit of a beat stick with the Gilded Crozius!

 

Edit - I am not overly concerned by challenges, he favours ranged loadouts for his HQ slots which makes character hunting against him a lot more fun :)


Edited by Sigvard, 19 March 2017 - 11:57 PM.

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If you're focusing on Death Company the Chaplain seems like a no-brainier. The new flavour gives re-rolls to hit AND wound, which is very tasty indeed.

Assume your DC have packs. Are you deep striking them or running up the field?

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It depends really. My only concern with deep strike is they are gonna end sitting somewhere as a bullet sponge for a turn and necrons can pound out some crazy fire power and I want to be able to put my guys in a position to charge and not be charged. So I am potentially gonna run them up the field.

 

There is also the rule of cool factor to consider and I love the idea of a group of DC being lead by a chaplain into battle plus the DC Chaplain model is awesome. Though he will need some fixing to keep him in line with my chapter asthetics.


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If you get the Relic armour for the Chaplain he can literally lead from the front, tanking fire with his 2+/4++. If he loses a wound you can Look out Sir on a 2+. The armour also gives Crusader, which helps you get up the field even quicker.
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Howdy folks.

I've got my first game of 40k in about two years on Thursday and I am busting out 1000 points of my BA successors The Crimson Lions in the hopes they can bring honor to our gene-father by vanquishing my buddies vile Necron Army (PS my guys are not friends with Necrons...)

 

After being out of the loop for a while in terms of gaming there have been some new things that have appeared and I am unsure of who should lead my army. I have quite a big squad of Death Company that I am taking with me and I am torn between two characters.

 

I have either

 

2nd Company Captain Arcas Myrto using Valour's Edge, Angels Wing, Artificer Armour and a grav-pistol

or

Unamed DC Chaplain using the Gilded Crozius and Grav Pistol which is far cheaper and allows another DC Marine.

 

They are both gonna be tucked up in a big scary blob of DC either Deepstriking in or storming across the field to smash his troopy robots to little tiny pieces.

 

Any advice or thoughts would be greatly appreciated I am super rusty.

 

*Admins I wasn't sure if this was going to be here for community advice or in lists? Sorry if it's in the wrong place

 

DC Chaplain can't take grav pistols. He only has access to relics of Baal and special issue wargear, so you're stuck with the inferno pistol....



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Yeah I have now realized that - also Relics of the Lost can only be taken in a Death Company Strike Force formation....d'oh!!


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The Captain has two relics (Valor's Edge and Angel's Wing). Only one relic per model is allowed, unfortunately.
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A cheap choice is the chaplain with the relic that allows for two warlord traits and then you can fish for the infiltrate and move through cover traits both of which will assist in getting up the board. I can't remember if you need to run a cad or bsf to get re rolls though

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Yet we have regular Chaplains  and DC chaplains , DC ones can pull up nasty relics compared to our original book.

 

Overall, chaplain seems like no brainer since our captain does nothing in terms of force multiplying. In the long run, chaplain wins, from the hobby perspective; since you will need one if you would go for the FW toys whistling.gif

 

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Yet we have regular Chaplains  and DC chaplains , DC ones can pull up nasty relics compared to our original book.

Can he tho if you take him in a regular CAD? I thought you can only take those relics if you take a Lost Brotherhood Detachment?


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Yet we have regular Chaplains  and DC chaplains , DC ones can pull up nasty relics compared to our original book.

Can he tho if you take him in a regular CAD? I thought you can only take those relics if you take a Lost Brotherhood Detachment?

 

My understanding is and correct me pls if I am wrong; if you take DC Chaplain from the Angel's blade, he can act as a stand alone HQ, in any formations ( even those from the main codex) yet he has access to relics in the Angel's blade book (DC only relics).

 

Just to support this statement;

 

"Since Codex Blood Angel was published there have been several new miniatures released into the Blood Angels range. This chapter of the book is designed to be used in conjunction with Codex: Blood Angels to provide players with the entire range of Blood Angels miniatures. The rules here - where  relevant - update, replace or supplement the rules in your codex.

 

Foremost amongst the new rules is introduction on the Terminator Captain and the Death Company Chaplain." Angel's Blade p.100


Edited by BloodTzar, 20 March 2017 - 08:24 AM.

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Read the relic rules again. You can take the DC chap as an HQ but he can't take the relics unless he is in a LBSF or DCSF.

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DC Chaplain for sure.

 

Other than a little stat boost and extra wound, the captain is a pretty bad HQ choice - needs more buffs!

 

Those re-rolls will turn your DC from "good" to "ohgodwhyaretherenercronpartseverywherewhatishappeningwhydidIangerthoseblackspacemarines"


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Thanks for all your help guys. It seems the DC Chaplain is the way go so I guess I better get painting.

Tyriks - in the Codex it states that only of each of these artefacts may be taken per army not only one. I know there is huge debate about whether you only have one or only have one of each type but to settle debate before it starts my gaming group blanket rules only one of each, so a character can have multiple artefacts, this works across all armies and allows for some diverse and flavourful builds.

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Thanks for all your help guys. It seems the DC Chaplain is the way go so I guess I better get painting.

Tyriks - in the Codex it states that only of each of these artefacts may be taken per army not only one. I know there is huge debate about whether you only have one or only have one of each type but to settle debate before it starts my gaming group blanket rules only one of each, so a character can have multiple artefacts, this works across all armies and allows for some diverse and flavourful builds.

Actually there is no debate since the FAQ straight says only one artifact/relic per character. However if your group houserules it differently that's up to you. ;)


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It was FAQ'd. It's one per model.
Unless you choose to house rule it, etc.

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It was FAQ'd. It's one per model.
Unless you choose to house rule it, etc.


I must be stupid because I can't find it in the FAQ

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It was FAQ'd. It's one per model.
Unless you choose to house rule it, etc.


I must be stupid because I can't find it in the FAQ

 

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https://www.warhamme...book-final-faq/


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Ah thank you. Well that changes things a little house ruling on an ambiguous rule to just straight up ignoring is a big difference. Bugger.

That means I need to rewrite so many lists :-(

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Accidentally double posted

Edited by Sigvard, 20 March 2017 - 01:53 PM.

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I feel you. I think we all do. ^^


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For BA i think it really means you can't just slap the veritas and valours on the same model any more. There's still plenty of useful builds though.

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