jbaeza94 Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) This should clear it all up plasmaspam: Of course! The Indexes! These five books are the most requested things from you guys and gals out there; all of you wanted to be able to use your army with the new edition from day one. No problem. Between them, these five softback Index books provide rules for every single Warhammer 40,000 Citadel Miniature we sell. They are broken down into themed books: 2 for the Imperium, 1 for the forces of Chaos, and 2 for the xenos races of the galaxy. To start gaming with your existing army, you just need the box set or the Warhammer 40,000 book and whichever Index book has their datasheets and you’re good to go. Oh, and don’t worry, this doesn’t mean Orks and Tyranids are now on the same side, it just means they share a book for the moment. In the future, they’ll get their own dedicated codexes. And don't forget these. They'll have rules for all of FW current miniatures. Edited May 23, 2017 by jbaeza94 plasmaspam 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Not sure if you found this: http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2017/05/8th-edition-core-rules-battle-round.html?m=1 We can charge after DS. GO! Deathwing GO! Space Truckin and jbaeza94 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solrac Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Soooooooooooo I'll be buying everything lol. New Box set, the 5 army books, the wound dice, the command dice and the cards. Well played GW. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Did anyone else notice in the Death Guard spot light that plague marines become troops in an all death guard detachment? With the return of mechanics like this, we could see the old Deathwing and Ravenwing force org slot swap come back if you take Belial or Sammael in your force! Solrac, plasmaspam and jbaeza94 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaeza94 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Not sure if you found this: http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2017/05/8th-edition-core-rules-battle-round.html?m=1 We can charge after DS. GO! Deathwing GO! this makes Knights pretty nice. get into combat that same turn. the question would be who rides in LR now vs who is going to deep strike in a DW list Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PhilB Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 I might be wishful thinking a little after reading that link you posted Orkinstein, but I noticed reinforcements come in at the end of the movement phase in 8th instead of before the movement phase like in 7th. Given units can't come in within 9" of the enemy and no longer scatter, I can't help but wonder if specialist wargear such as, I don't know, teleport homers, will allow reinforcements to come in closer. Suddenly we're looking at one two punching RW & DW again but this time with the ability of almost assured charges the turn the DW come down, oh my! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 I might be wishful thinking a little after reading that link you posted Orkinstein, but I noticed reinforcements come in at the end of the movement phase in 8th instead of before the movement phase like in 7th. Given units can't come in within 9" of the enemy and no longer scatter, I can't help but wonder if specialist wargear such as, I don't know, teleport homers, will allow reinforcements to come in closer. Suddenly we're looking at one two punching RW & DW again but this time with the ability of almost assured charges the turn the DW come down, oh my! I remember I read some where before, if you want to go to 9" within enemy you will scatter... I might be wrong... I am thinking about Darkshroud, if it keeps same rule as 7ed. That will be excellent. Darkshroud can DS with DW then DW can charge without facing overwatch. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Not sure if you found this: http://natfka.blogspot.ca/2017/05/8th-edition-core-rules-battle-round.html?m=1 We can charge after DS. GO! Deathwing GO! this makes Knights pretty nice. get into combat that same turn. the question would be who rides in LR now vs who is going to deep strike in a DW list If you don't use a pure DW, I think some units that cannot DS will be best choice. Our Company Veterans Squad, all take combi-weapons with Ezekiel or Azrael. (Ezekiel and Azrael are DW anyways...) Not sure if Azreal can give a 4++ bubble... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaeza94 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) https://spikeybits.com/2017/05/8th-edition-warhammer-40k-lineup-pricing-confrimed.html 8th Edition Starter Set: $160 8th Edition Rulebook: $60 8th Edition Index Books: $25 ea Tactical Objective Cards: $12.50 Sector Imperialis Objectives: $35 Command Dice: $20 Wound Trackers: $12.50 Combat Gauge: $10 Dark Imperium Novel: $27 knowing this info, what are you guys planning on buying? me: starter set, space marine index, objective cards, command dice and the wound trackers. Edited May 24, 2017 by jbaeza94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Solrac Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) Thos are USD prices btw. Im sure here in Australia we will be paying about $250 for the starter box, $40 each for the Index Books I'll be getting all the same stuff as you jbaeza94 but seeing as my first 8th Tournament is in July I'll be getting all the Index Books as well to study enemy lists lol Edited May 24, 2017 by Solrac Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Sharp Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Man those US prices are terrible. Compared to the UK prices, we're paying a premium. In fact, I'm fairly certain I could buy from a UK online retailer and pay for shipping and still get it cheaper. Disappointing stuff. GW apparently thinks exchange rates haven't moved since the 90s. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaeza94 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Solrac: yes they are indeed USD. Brother Captain Sharp: you have any news on what GBP prices are? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother-Captain Sharp Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Dark Imperium Starter Set £95.00 Warhammer 40,000 8th:Rulebook £35 Tactical Objective Cards £8.00 Sector Imperialis Objectives £20 Command Dice £12.50 Wound Trackers £8.00 Combat Gauge £6.00 Indices £15.00 each Dark Imperium Novel £18.00 jbaeza94 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Guys, while there's enthusiasm about new edition we can't forget this is the DA forum and if we're not discussing DA related news of the 8th, there is a thread ( several in fact)in news and rumors section for general discussion. So let's keep this DA related. jbaeza94 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Raeven Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 The prices for the index books seems reasonable, much better than the €40 you had to pay for the Codices of 1 faction. Rules are okay prices wise too. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ezzeran Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 Guys, while there's enthusiasm about new edition we can't forget this is the DA forum and if we're not discussing DA related news of the 8th, there is a thread ( several in fact)in news and rumors section for general discussion. So let's keep this DA related. Agreed. I, for one, am very interested to know how the Dark Angels will justify inducting Primaris marines into the chapter, from a lore perspective. These are Roboute's creations, the guy who literally wrote the codex. How will these new children of the Emperor react to the dark secret the Inner Circle harbors? Ezz Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Arkley Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 They should not be in Ravenwing or Deathwing right away. A reason for Ravenwing could be viable, i.e. a Great bike rider, but being Ravenwing does not automatically say you know about the Fallen. As for Deathwing there is no way in hell they can justify a Primaris being one... This is not me hating on the Primaris its purely how Deathwing works. plasmaspam 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormxlr Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 (edited) Marines that have not been indoctrinated by the chapter being allowed in ? No way. They did not undergo the tutelage under the chaplains as scouts to learn the traditions of the chapter, they did not listen to the sermons about the story of the Deathwing. Dark Angels dont even trust their own Techmarines with any kind of inner circle knowledge. No way this marines created on mars by mechanicum would be even allowed to join the chapter. Hold on did I just say they were created on mars by mechanicum? Did they use geneseed reserves without the First Legions consent? Since when did this go on? We Dark Angels are suspicious folk, I would not trust another chapter to even board on Angelicasta. implying that I would let some unknown mutant marines join the chapter is just mind boggling. Edited May 24, 2017 by Stormxlr Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Arkley Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Dark Angels dont even trust their own Techmarines with any kind of inner circle knowledge. No way this marines created on mars by mechanicum would be even allowed to join the chapter. Hold on did I just say they were created on mars by mechanicum? Did they use geneseed reserves without the First Legions consent? Since when did this go on? And given how their Master of the Forge is hardwired into the Rock is quite amusing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chaplain Lucifer Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 It seems that Guilliman gave the Chapters the means to create Primaris instead of giving them ready-made Primaris, so integration of Primaris in a the DA is almost a non-issue (IMHO) because DA can create their own, without external infuences. So, basically they are subject to the same rules as a "normal" marine whe it comes to ascension to DW or RW. Give the premise that DA are free to create their own and not integrating stranger pre-made Primaris, I would recon DA would take the advantage of it. My 2 cents. Ezzeran and Brother Captain Arkley 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Arkley Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 It seems that Guilliman gave the Chapters the means to create Primaris instead of giving them ready-made Primaris, so integration of Primaris in a the DA is almost a non-issue (IMHO) because DA can create their own, without external infuences. So, basically they are subject to the same rules as a "normal" marine whe it comes to ascension to DW or RW. Give the premise that DA are free to create their own and not integrating stranger pre-made Primaris, I would recon DA would take the advantage of it. My 2 cents. Oh of course we would be foolish not to, I can see any premade ones we acquire being limited to Battle Companys, were as the Upgrade ones it does not matter and the Homemade ones are free to go anywhere they earn. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stormxlr Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 okay, we need to wait for more details then because it takes long time to grow a space marine. At least 100 years on average before joining the battle company right? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jbaeza94 Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Yeah it's about 75 to 100 depending on the marine in question and attrition rate. Let's not forget that marines can be made into primaris marines. That will justify us having a squad or 2 of dw and rw right off the bat. Special marines chosen for a special task and received the upgrade from the chapter first. I also don't see why homegrown, home psycho indoctrinated, using a proven 10k year old screening process, librarian filtered, superior warriors would not be allowed into the dw, rw, and inner circle. I highly doubt a primaris without the right heart would be allowed in. Remember the story where the marine shothimself while being examined by Ezekiel because his "heart" was not in the right place? It's apparently very obvious to a librarian if your worthy. It's not possible that those primaris will not exist. On another note. Lieutenants. How do you guys think they'll fit into DA? What naming do you think they'll have? Brother Captain Arkley 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Captain Arkley Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Well we have the Voted-Lieutenants so it would not be out of the realms of possibility for a Master to elect a "Sergeant" to be come a Lieutenant and lead in his absence :). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Ramael Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 It is said also that normal marines can take the procedure to turn to Primaris, so converting characters and DW/RW veterans is doable. In other words, prepare for Azrael Primaris ( and the whole gang at some point I guess). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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