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Cortus vs Leviathan


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Hi all,
 
I'm finalizing my SW list but when thinking which dreadnought I wanted to have inside my Mastodon, I realised that was the Cortus with dual Chainfists.
 
Just as a quick comparison vs the Dreadnought acknowledged as best in CC:
 
Striking before
A: 5
To hit: 2.5
Not saved: 1.25
AP 13: Pen
Destroyed: 41.7%      
 
Striking together
A: 6
To hit: 3
Not saved: 1.5
AP 13: Pen
Destroyed: 50%      
 
Due to it's special rules, a Cortus can have 6 Attacks on the charge (mine will always get the charge since he's inside a Mastodon), or 5 Attacks on the charge striking BEFORE the Leviathan.
 
So the math says that there's a 50% chance of destroying the Leviathan if you risk your Cortus and strike at the same time or a 41.7% chance of destroying it if you safely strike before.
 
If you do the best of both worlds and select an extra Attack on turn one and strike at +1 I in turn 2 of the duel, you pretty much have the clear upper hand in the duel (75% of chances of destroying it if you survive turn 1).
 
Not bad considering the cortus with 2x chainfists is less than half the price of the Leviathan huh?
 
Striking before
A: 5
To hit: 2.5
Not saved: 1.25
AP 13: Pen
Destroyed: 41.7%
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Leviathan also can't ride in a Mastodon !


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Fair point! Actually, if you put 2 Cortus in the Mastodon, for the same price you have a guaranteed kill lol. Plus I bet not many people would feel their Leviathan threatened by a Cortus charging unless they've felt this situation before. Intuitively it just screams the Leviathan will pulverize the Cortus I'd imagine for most people (I know it did for me).

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Also save yourself 10 points, you only need one chainfist.


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Really? I thought the Chainfist was Specialist but the Contemptor CC Weapon no, or it doesn't matter in Walkers? Can you confirm? That'd be awesome smile.png

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Yep, they use a profile found in the FAQ - not a specialist weapon.


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Woho!

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When you bring a Mastodon effectiveness is off the chart anyway. Why Mathhammer?
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Uhh your math seems off. With 1.25 rolls on the damage table you have a 21.25% of an explodes, 1.5 results in a 25.5% chance.

 

A Leviathan (with one gun arm and one siege drill) then has a 34% to explode the cortus.

 

The Leviathan is "the best" because it has the most hullpoints backed up with the strongest and omnipresent Invul save out of all of the dreads.


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Yeah I have trouble seeing how the cortus would easily beat a leviathan in an assault, especially considering the cortus get's a ++6 in cc while the leviathan gets a ++4. Sure the cortus is super cost effective, but the leviathan is still a beast. Plus your calculations didn't take into account that if the leviathan charges, and your cortus doesn't have the initiative bonus active, the cortus is finished before it will get a chance to strike. 

 

Now yes two cortuses are about the same price as a leviathan and have a solid chance of beating it, but I'd hardly say that makes the leviathan not worth taking. Really I wouldn't even consider the two in the exact same role despite being dreadnoughts. The cortus is just a cheap, cost effective but weaker dreadnought that's good to spam, while the leviathan is a tough, hard hitting beast that can carry much heavier weaponry.  


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Yeah I have trouble seeing how the cortus would easily beat a leviathan in an assault, especially considering the cortus get's a ++6 in cc while the leviathan gets a ++4. Sure the cortus is super cost effective, but the leviathan is still a beast. Plus your calculations didn't take into account that if the leviathan charges, and your cortus doesn't have the initiative bonus active, the cortus is finished before it will get a chance to strike.

Now yes two cortuses are about the same price as a leviathan and have a solid chance of beating it, but I'd hardly say that makes the leviathan not worth taking. Really I wouldn't even consider the two in the exact same role despite being dreadnoughts. The cortus is just a cheap, cost effective but weaker dreadnought that's good to spam, while the leviathan is a tough, hard hitting beast that can carry much heavier weaponry.

It's even worse because the Cortus' Atomantic Deflector doesn't provide an invulnerable save in CC. ;)
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This is the most ridiculous comparison I've seen on here in a while.

 

Two of one dreadnought are better than another dreadnought because you are "guaranteed" a charge by taking a transport that costs more than all of them combined?  Nothing is guaranteed, and at best the two Cortus will stall against a Leviathan, but more than likely will die since its more accurate and cuts through their armor, while itself being behind a 4+ invulnerable.


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And what happens when the levy crumples the mastadon and blocks the front hatch? Disembarking from the rear and hoping for a good charge?

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