Captain Coolpants Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_13179/gallery_23369_13179_447.jpg Near the top it has the stats for the storm bolter. Tis now rapid fire 2 So this means 2 shots at full range and 4 shots at 12" yes? Edit, just noticed it's a repost (>.<) But I also. Concerned with the psychic focus. I'm not sure of I'd prefer the standard smite, or it be replaced with hammerhand. I'm sure it said every psyker knows smite unless stated otherwise, and we could have hammerhand as that otherwise. I'm surprised the dreadknights toughness remained the same too, thought they'd bump it up by 1. But if they do remove the PT, I'll he sad, but knowing I could just DS it and charge anyway isn't so bad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Holier Than Thou Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just seen that Thunder Hammers do 3 damage. Does this mean our Daemon Hammers will do D3 + 3? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisMars Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 If every option is going to be playable Dreadnoughts and Dreadknights need to be differentiable. Dreadknight M8" S6 T6 W12 Heavy Psycannon 24" S7 -1 2 damage Psylencer Heavy 6 S4 1d3 damage. It has more than 10 wounds, so it's going to have attribute reductions. Dreadnought M6" S6 T7 W8 We know Dreadnoughs are going to be priced 70 (base) + 40 (Melee weapon?) + 27 (Multimelta) = 137, (97 if the melee weapon is free) I see the Dreadknight being about the same point range and shooting at 2+ and getting its movement and shooting attributes to make it more close combat oriented. I see the Dreadnought as a more configurable shooting unit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChaosPhoenix Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Sorry I concetrated on different armies when I was looking through the books. But Paladins are W3 now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 The Chaos DPs with 16 odd wounds doesn't have any degradation chart, I don't think that the NDK will necessarily have one. Hmmm. No move and run with Storm Bolters. But double the shots at half range. At least with the new FoC we can run 1HQ and three (to 6?) NDK as a detachment. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myunch Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_13179/gallery_23369_13179_447.jpg Near the top it has the stats for the storm bolter. Tis now rapid fire 2 So this means 2 shots at full range and 4 shots at 12" yes? I noticed at the bottom of the image a "wrist mounted" grenade launcher that's assault D3 or w/e... leads me to believe we could have a "wrist mounted" stormbolter variant allowing us the rapid fire along with the ability to charge maybe? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Not sure if I prefer Storm Bolters to be Assault 2, or Rapid Fire 2. :/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Rapid fire 2 means 2 shots at 24" and 4 at 12", which is more than their current profile. The question is whether or not you can assault after firing rapid fire. From what I've seen so far there doesn't appear to be the restriction on charging after shooting any more?In which case I'm all for Rapid Fire 2! If that's not the case then Assault 2 would be my preferred option. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myunch Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 My hope would be Assault 2 with double shots at half range =D Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 You can charge after shooting Rapid Fire wepaons. You cannot Advance (run) though. Assault Weapons allow you to move + Advance, shoot and charge. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myunch Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Ah, that does change things... mobility seems like it will be a challenge for our Terminators once they hit the ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zamtro Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 You can charge after shooting Rapid Fire wepaons. You cannot Advance (run) though. Assault Weapons allow you to move + Advance, shoot and charge. Can it? Just checked the rules leak and Advance = No shooting/charging, Assault Weapon allows you to shoot after advancing with -1 to hit, doesn't say you can then assault. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Ah that looks right! In that case advancing kinda sucks, and I'd go for rapid fire over assault any day! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Just seen that Thunder Hammers do 3 damage. Does this mean our Daemon Hammers will do D3 + 3? Probably so. Sorry I concetrated on different armies when I was looking through the books. But Paladins are W3 now. Thanks much for that. Figured they'd have 3 Wounds, but the confirmation is greatly appreciated. If you get another look, please come back and hook us up! http://image.bolterandchainsword.com/uploads/gallery/album_13179/gallery_23369_13179_447.jpg Near the top it has the stats for the storm bolter. Tis now rapid fire 2 So this means 2 shots at full range and 4 shots at 12" yes? I noticed at the bottom of the image a "wrist mounted" grenade launcher that's assault D3 or w/e... leads me to believe we could have a "wrist mounted" stormbolter variant allowing us the rapid fire along with the ability to charge maybe? We can rapid fire and charge anyway in 8e; shooting weapons no longer restrict your ability to charge, so even heavy weapons don't prevent it in 8e. You can charge after shooting Rapid Fire wepaons. You cannot Advance (run) though. Assault Weapons allow you to move + Advance, shoot and charge. You can move, advance, and shoot with Assault weapons (at -1), but they don't also let you charge. Advancing prevents a charge, outside of specific unit rules. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Myunch Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Maybe then wrist mounted storm bolters will allow us to advance, rapid fire shoot and charge? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Maybe then wrist mounted storm bolters will allow us to advance, rapid fire shoot and charge? Don't think they're going to do anything special. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 You can move, advance, and shoot with Assault weapons (at -1), but they don't also let you charge. Advancing prevents a charge, outside of specific unit rules. Tad too late mate. ;) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Looking at the leaks for the other psychic disciplines, it seems like 3 psychic powers per discipline is the standard. So does that mean GKs will most likely have Smite + 3 GK specific psychic powers to chose from? Or will special characters like Draigo, Voldus, Stern etc. have unique psychic powers just for themselves? I'm not sure how it is in AoS but is there a list of general psychic disciplines that are available for all / most factions to cast from on top of their 3 specific powers? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 Looking at the leaks for the other psychic disciplines, it seems like 3 psychic powers per discipline is the standard. So does that mean GKs will most likely have Smite + 3 GK specific psychic powers to chose from? Yes Or will special characters like Draigo, Voldus, Stern etc. have unique psychic powers just for themselves? Yes, that is possible, too. I'm not sure how it is in AoS but is there a list of general psychic disciplines that are available for all / most factions to cast from on top of their 3 specific powers? Not that I'm aware of, but I've not played AoS; only did research on it to learn about what to expect from 8e a month or so ago. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Go here to ask questions of someone who has seen the GK portion of the index. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Soder Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Thanks for posting that! Didn't know it existed. Val a lot of your predictions are true. Lol. Good calls! The apothecary/banner seperate characters now seem like it could be something interesting.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Go here for thread with link to full rules, and our discussion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 http://i.imgur.com/zBcYdIh.jpg No normal GK Liberian any more?? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
duz_ Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 They reference some units to the SM listings. The libby is one of them as well as dreads and techmarines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Orkinstein Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 They reference some units to the SM listings. The libby is one of them as well as dreads and techmarines. Thanks for pointing out that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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