Goreshed Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 If they are starting the base off at D6 shots with D3 wounds each, that is just nasty. And at the end of the day it would probably mean more death than what we dish out now with them. Combine that with the fact that we may see a tank able to shoot at different targets with each gun this is all looking good. I just really hope we can make lists like we used to back in the EoT days where we could put some marines into the mix Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted May 11, 2017 Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 (edited) If AoS-style keyword-based army building is the new thing, then we should definitely be able to. Autopistol + CCW will be my choice. Hopefully mutants don't have the -1 leadership to friendly units debuff this time around. Ugh, debuffing your own army. Only FW, man... Edited May 11, 2017 by Venomlust Plaguecaster 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Akrim Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 That is a bit crappy for templates, i rather enjoyed the aesthetic of dropping large blasts. Certainly makes artillery less effective against hordes. Is it the same for small blasts? Quad guns might be much more deadly in that event. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted May 11, 2017 Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 Yeah, all templates are gone. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Excessus Posted May 11, 2017 Share Posted May 11, 2017 To be perfectly honest though, the only reason templates was effective against hordes was the fact that it was soooo time-consuming for the opponent to set them up 2" apart and most people couldn't be bothered with it. Positive thoughts though, now our mutant hordes can clump together as much as they'd like without downsides! :) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted May 11, 2017 Author Share Posted May 11, 2017 To be perfectly honest though, the only reason templates was effective against hordes was the fact that it was soooo time-consuming for the opponent to set them up 2" apart and most people couldn't be bothered with it. Positive thoughts though, now our mutant hordes can clump together as much as they'd like without downsides! Yes, very true! Minding the distance between individual models was definitely time consuming. It will still matter, but for different reasons. More the distance between units, that matters now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Goreshed Posted May 12, 2017 Share Posted May 12, 2017 By not having templates it will help speed up the horde armies so that you don't have 'that guy' who spreads all of his models out exactly 2" apart. It also means you could cram more guys behind cover and not worry about all of them dying by a single template. And this will speed things up immensely, not to mention get rid of the scatter dice and any argument that comes from the exact angle that the arrow is going in. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted May 22, 2017 Author Share Posted May 22, 2017 Not that this is really anything new, but: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 "that they currently have on sale." Welp. Renegades: Various orgyn, including the hounds. Militia upgrades, HQ, enforcers Rogue psykers, Nurgle preacher Vehicle and artillery crew, so I expect the guard superheavy to stay available to us somehow. CSM models listed: Legion contemptors, stormbird, fellblade, kharybdis, dreadclaw, Typhon Brass scorpion, chaos knight, other Titans, kytan Hell talon land raider Achilles Giant Spawn, bloodslaughterer, blight drone, decimator Khorne Lord zufhor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted May 22, 2017 Author Share Posted May 22, 2017 So we know the Salamander is probably gone. No big whoop. And what else, Griffons? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted May 22, 2017 Share Posted May 22, 2017 Plague Hulks are gone from the website :( Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted May 22, 2017 Author Share Posted May 22, 2017 (edited) Aww, that's too bad. IMO the unit wasn't really distinct enough from the Soulgrinder, but now there's no chance to make that happen. Farewell, you beautiful daemon robot. *edit*Blood slaughterers are still there, though. B) Edited May 22, 2017 by Venomlust Plaguecaster 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/23/forge-world-and-the-new-warhammer-40000/ Well this bodes well for renegades :D Edited May 23, 2017 by teutonicavenger Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 Wow all forge world chaos in 1 book? I may pick up my first ever forge world product! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted May 23, 2017 Author Share Posted May 23, 2017 Sweet! I really hope the characters (Zhufor, etc.) are interesting and worthwhile. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Uveron Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 I am kinda hoping that there is a chance that Renegades are the 3rd faction in the main book. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MysticTemplar Posted May 23, 2017 Share Posted May 23, 2017 (edited) I am kinda hoping that there is a chance that Renegades are the 3rd faction in the main book. It's Traitor Knights, so there isn't any chance at all, unfortunately. Edit: Which is too bad - the Studio proved they could do traitor Guard well with Genestealer Cults, so I'm interested as to how they'd do the Chaos aligned version of the same concept. Edited May 23, 2017 by MysticTemplar Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 I am kinda hoping that there is a chance that Renegades are the 3rd faction in the main book. That would have been awesome, sadly it's not to be though. My biggest hope for the updated R&H list for 8th is that FW actually makes a full set of error free rules this time that fully make sense. Stuff right now like the nonsensical pts cost for extra models in units like disciples should really go away. Also, I'd love for there to be an actual decently priced elite unit equivalent to normal guard veterans or storm troopers. Khornestar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bozo69pd Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 I hope they end up with better force organization than what they had. I thought vraks and IA13 was confusing as hell. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted May 24, 2017 Share Posted May 24, 2017 Yeah the organization for the R&H army list in general is a mess, especially with how devotions work. That all needs to be clarified. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plaguecaster Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Well this bloody sucks Renegades are not in the Chaos FW book but the Imperial Guard one Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Asvaldir Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 That sure is a pain, now if you want chaos guard and the CSM FW vehicle stats you need 2 books. Easy choice for me though, only FW vehicle I have is the hellblade so I'll be grabbing the guard index first. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RolandTHTG Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 Heh. Whereas I'll be doing the opposite, as CSM are my primary army. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Khornestar Posted May 27, 2017 Author Share Posted May 27, 2017 (edited) It is frustrating that we'll need the extra book, but makes sense given that the loyalists/renegades essentially share many units. They'd need to add gods know how many pages to a chaos book for these units, but fewer in the guard book. *edit*I have a bad feeling FW is still somehow going to make us reference separate books for the rules. Like, there's a page for Chimera, and then it will say "Please see the 40k Astra Militarum book for this unit entry." I really hope I'm wrong! Edited May 27, 2017 by Venomlust Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warsmith Uveron Posted May 27, 2017 Share Posted May 27, 2017 I have a bad feeling FW is still somehow going to make us reference separate books for the rules. Like, there's a page for Chimera, and then it will say "Please see the 40k Astra Militarum book for this unit entry." I really hope I'm wrong! That is something Iam preparing for... Thankfully with the index's fairly cheap my plan will be to pick one up a month over the summer till I have the rules for all my armies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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