I don't think I'm gonna be here in the hobby in ten more years, to be honest. I'll probably stick around to see how the Heresy wraps up. This isn't the first thing the studio has done to me, obviously. I'm getting tired of being told 'it'll be fine' and then it never is fine. The 'just around the corner' never shows up. You've got to realize that, you've been here for years too. You've got to remember me loving the universe so much I collected every reference to Black Templars, different marks of boltguns, inventing new chapters for the liber, and trying to make a guide to Armageddon 3. Spent hours and hours coming up with sources to help other posters get their hands on second and first edition lore. Once drove across the entire island of Oahu in search of a rare White Dwarf I couldn't find in four states on the mainland.
I'm not being obtuse for no reason. They systemically stripped the universe of all the things I spent money and time cultivating.
Absolutely. And we agree on most things since, like, forever. But there's a definite (and, in fandom, very clear) narrowing of perspective at times. One that mistakes familiarity and burnout with "everything" getting worse. One that likens disliked changes in a portion of the setting to the entire thing sucking. I doubt any of us have missed that in any of the fandoms we like - we've all seen it many times, I'm sure - but when it's happening to you, it's practically impossible to see past the cognitive bias. It's like depression: you're not depressed, you're not pessimistic, you see things as they really are and everyone else is naive or ignorant. That's how depression biases you. And, indeed, how it gets you to spiral.
Let me put it more personally. There are plenty of things I don't like in 40K - more and more as time goes on as authors or designers whose work I'm not really into codify the setting through their lenses; as I get overexposed to concepts that once felt way more awesome, and so on. But every time I bring that up with someone else, their answer is "I don't care about that part" or "It's never on my table, so who cares?" and "What does it really change?"
Primaris Marines may not be an idea that grabs you, personally. And I'm not going to try to convince you to hold out and hope they get redeemed in your eyes. But, as I'm fond of saying, and as has been explained to me in tones both patient and patronising, it's all a pendulum. Things go one way, then they go the other. For every new thing I can't stand in 40K, there are ten things getting new leases of life, or are new things I like. More importantly, there are many other things remaining unchanged.
I'm not going to let my vision of 40K circle entirely around the metaplot of what the reborn Guilliman is doing in his fleet. That's practically irrelevant to the galaxy. It's the Studio's storyline and that's all good, but it doesn't define or eradicate 30 years of 40K for me. It's just one story in the setting. The setting itself hasn't changed all that much. It's just difficult to see that at the dawn of a new edition when the loudest voices right now are the advertising engines and the Studio excited that it gets to have a storyline.
Besides, for every aspect of the Primaris concept that I feel is a little hinky, there are other aspects I can't wait to explore. For every aspect of the new setting changes I'm not keen on, I know there are a hundred things still the same, and I'm sure other authors will cover the things I don't like, anyway. It's not my place to redeem anything. So, like, I'm not objecting to you disliking something. It's just surreal when you're so relentlessly negative and can't see anything of value in any of this; do you then see some of us as wilfully ignorant or something? Primaris Marines aren't even 'making lemonade' for me. The moment I heard about them, I didn't care a damn about their origin lore - I immediately thought "...okay, this will make for some awesome stories and interesting tensions within Space Marine Chapters."
(Right after that, I wanted to see the models, but you know what I mean.)
Edited by A D-B, 16 May 2017 - 09:20 PM.