Grimtooth Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Get your attention? Alright, so there is some discussion in the 8th Edition forum about the situation that the BA find themselves in according to the new lore out and the very negative view if GW were to try and crap out a way of resurrecting Sanguinous. However, I posted a theory that I thought of and then put myself into their shoes if Russ was undeniably as dead as Count Goldilocks. With RG and his Mars Nerd doing all these fantastic things with 2.0 Marines, what if they were able to somehow create a new primarch? I am not talking a clone of Sang or in our case, a clone of Russ, but more of a gene heir to Russ. All primarchs are basically gene fathers to their respective SM chapters/legions anyway, but lets say that these two bozos somehow were able to create a brother primarch of Russ to step up and lead the chapter in these trying times. But, I then took it another step forward, what if these two bozos instead of actually creating a primarch, were able to instead somehow infuse/modify/enhance one of our existing icons in the chapter and elevate him to a gene heir of Russ? Which leads to the title of the thread. RG comes along and says to Logan, "Hey Grimar, my pet nerd and I have discovered a way to elevate you to over 9000 power level and I have chosen you to become the successor primarch to the Space Wolves." Personally I would think that Logan would be very much like Russ. Russ saw the need for the Legion to change, to become something else and in this wisdom he left Bjorn to usher in the new Wolves. Hence Logan would see that the crusade to come would need a different Wolves chapter and instead point to Ragnar as the one to lead the wolves as a successor primarch to Russ. Just some theorycrafting of what seems like would be an interesting twist into the storyline. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kelborn Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Although it's just a theory: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Karack Blackstone Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Although it's just a theory: LOAl, hell yes! Logan may be old, he would still be a likely better choice; might not cause the death of a promising young Wolf Lord, at that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 17, 2017 Author Share Posted May 17, 2017 Well we have 2.0 Marines so anything is possible. And like I said, more of a theorycraft for BA since Sanguinous is DEAD! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Machine God Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 So if you are suggesting elevating Logan Grimnar with special 2.0 juice why did you put Ragnar in the title? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 This ...... is causing me indigestion. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leif Bearclaw Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Well, it's certainly a theory, I'll give you that . That said, the starting point is just to far out there imo. If they were going to go that way, I'd have expected no loyal Primarchs returning. The Traitors are out in force, so Cawl breaks out the super serum to upgrade the extant Chapter Masters so you'd get 2.0 Calgar too, instead of Gulliman (would've been a better idea too, imo). Also, I thought it was obvious how they'd bring back Sanguinius for the BAs? The Sanguinor, already a warp echo (or whatever) of Sangy ascends to/is possessed by the full Primarch, in the same way that Karl Franz became Sigmar in Fantasy End Times. The Ferrus turns up with the LoTD, Dorn wasn't actually killed, and there's a complete happy family of Loyalists . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KiltedMarine Posted May 17, 2017 Share Posted May 17, 2017 Gotta confess here that recent events in the fluff overall kind of make me miss the earliest days of the lore, when Ragnar was a blond and the Wolves were based on Lucan... So in keeping with that ancient spirit of "who knows what the :cuss is true," I would be OK with that line of plot development. I half suspect that the Primaris only exist as a way to get a "soft reboot" of Astartes overall anyway, so something like this might be more likely than not. Logan as a new gene-father would create interesting directions for the story to go. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kasper_Hawser Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 The image of being "upgraded" into Primaris is conjuring a whole lot of sick images in my head, which unfortunately, would mean I'm a depraved person to be able to think of such sick images. Maybe for once it'll be relatively innocent, just stick a wolf in a sacrophagus ala Blood Angel or Captain America in the first Chris Evans movie, then BOOM! comes out a Primaris. the more sick images involve "insertion"........ oh God am I sick. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gnenthaal Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Hi, I don't intervene much (more of a lurking type of wolf you know ;-)), but it come close to my feeling about the development of the primaris range of miniatures. My feeling is slightly different though. Not a Ragnar primarch. But a Ragnar primaris. So, here where it comes from in my disturbed brain : - actual marines can be improved as primarines. Ok. - ragnar model is one the oldest, if not the oldest, character models (1992). Lots of people were expecting him to have a new model with warzone Fenris or at least Wrath of Magnus. - He represents in my mind the first V2 character (might be wrong, it's a sort of a "madeleine de Proust" to me). What better symbol would it be for GW to have Ragnar lead this new era of the space marines, 25 years after its first release ? Again, I might be wrong, but to me, what a wonderfull feeling (haa my teenager years…) it would be if he were to be the first primaris character model of the range. And that would totaly explain the absence of a new model during the last campaign setting. My two not completely objectives cents. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RikuEru Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Okay, Avatar of a Primarch or some such is a bit out of left field... But now that we know he can be made into a Primaris Marine (And he is the best Candidate from our Chapter. Prophecy, Russ-like character and appearance, young, no new plastic model during 7. Edition or Warzone Fenris...) What if he (among others, for other Chapters, like He'Stan, Shrike and Cato) becomes the PRIMUS of our Chapter's Primaris recruits and veterans? Yes, that title is bland as hell and uncreative, but along Tacticus Armor and other bad pseudo-latin names it goes unnoticed... ...and they could tie it back to HH Praetors, Primus Medicaes or so, so it gets that nostalgia-flavouring. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wispy Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 i like the idea if it's accidental. if it's by design it feels off. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lord Ragnarok Posted May 19, 2017 Share Posted May 19, 2017 Yeah, agree with Wispy on this but I'm open to expanding my mind on it as I know there will be "change". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grimtooth Posted May 24, 2017 Author Share Posted May 24, 2017 I have pretty much backtracked all on an actual Primaris upgrade being nothing more than a Primaris Light so that existing chapters get a minor boost. Hence no actual Primaris SW, but upgraded SW with Primaris Light. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nova_chron Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 This just makes me want to make a primaris sized Ragnar conversion to use as a character in my legion lists and perhaps convince me to give 40k a shake in 8th Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CaptainStabby Posted June 2, 2017 Share Posted June 2, 2017 No reason to do this with the Wolves, then they can just bring Russ back from wherever he's at. If anyone is getting photocopied it's Sangy or Ferrus, all the other loyalists are jut "lost". Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malleuss Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Not sure this would even work. Primarchs were Emperor gene. Marines aren't. Make an amazing marine, sure, but I doubt primarch levels of amazing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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