SWORD BROTHER RYAN Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 I do NOT follow your logic there, brother. Honor, you say? Really? 10,000 years we Templars have crusaded. Never to have taken a planet or sector and said, "This is ours now." like Guilliman and his Ultramarines did. He may be the overall CDR of Imperial Forces, but he set the stage for almost EVERY CHAPTER to stagnate. We would NOT FOLLOW him in a Crusade... He would have to petition the High Marshal to ask for the honor of our blades at HIS SIDE, just like everybody else. That said, we DID play a large role in his resurrection. As for the new guys he had created... just look at my many posts throughout this forum. I'm done talking about it for the time being. You can find me Crusading. Brother Christopher, Honda and Helias_Tancred 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Honda Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 "You wish me to send this to him?" "Yes, I think he will understand the perspectives in this parable." The Techmarine continued to turn over the thin disc, "This data format appears to be from Pre-Unity times, it is rare beyond comprehension. Will he be able to translate this into something usable?" "He is either a Primarch or he is not. Accessing this material should be a trivial task for one such as he." "The inscription on this side...I am not familiar with this dialect or phraseology." "It says, 'While You Were Sleeping"." KhorneHunter57x, SWORD BROTHER RYAN, Bjorn Firewalker and 2 others 5 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Othniel's Blade Posted May 28, 2017 Share Posted May 28, 2017 Of course, Guilliman would only respond to the intricate wordsmith of Ms. Bullock. Honda 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kilamandaros Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 It doesn't surprise me people are resistant to change, it's always the way, but I am welcome to it. The current core models for most non-new armies including marines are many years old and it seems GW plan to overhaul them in this edition which is great news. I will hope for a new BT upgrade kit then I will definitely be adding primaris marines to my crusade - my fluff will be since the Black Templars sacrificed so much escorting Cawl and Celestine from Cadia to Ultramar that Cawl personally sees to the creation of a company of Primaris marines to replace the Templars that were lost. Can't wait! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Doren Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 I can accept that idea for fluff reasons. But the noobs still need to prove themselves. By using chainswords. BitsHammer, SWORD BROTHER RYAN and Verger 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chapter Master Furious Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 Hail Brothers The question that I'm posing is how do you see the Primaris Space Marines fitting within the Chapter? Do you see these new breed of marine being welcomed, or shunned? how do you think they'll intergrate into the non-codex organization of the Black Templar's? Me personally, I see these new marines being welcomed for the most part, but a part of me also see the Primaris Marines being seen as an abomination against the God Emperors most holy work: the Adeptus Astartes. I don't know if the Primaris marines would be organized into crusader squads made purely of Primaris marines, or integrated into preexisting squads (which isn't as likely). This is a link to the "Ultima Founding" found on the warhammer community site, just to provide some reference material if you guys need it: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/05/29/new-warhammer-40000-the-ultima-founding-may29gw-homepage-post-4/ there is also this picture: which shows a Primaris Black Templar, and confirms there integration into the chapter. So what do you guys think? How will our beloved chapter react to these new breed of warriors in our chapter? CM Furious Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted May 29, 2017 Share Posted May 29, 2017 (edited) Shunned by all except Little Timmys eyeing their new shinys already in this thread Edited May 31, 2017 by Acebaur Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_von_Speer Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 I'm still on the fence about how to handle the latest fluff in regards of my own crusade. If the G-Man continues his installation as New Emperor, my crusade'll have to go renegade. But for now I'll wait for more Information. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wolfhart Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 [...]If the G-Man continues his installation as New Emperor, [...] There it is again. Rowboat is not acting as Emperor, he is Lord Commander and one of the High Lords of Terra. The man is "just doing his job". Like him (and the Primaris) or not, but i really get triggered by this (or similar) statements over and over again :P Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_von_Speer Posted May 30, 2017 Author Share Posted May 30, 2017 [...]If the G-Man continues his installation as New Emperor, [...] There it is again. Rowboat is not acting as Emperor, he is Lord Commander and one of the High Lords of Terra. The man is "just doing his job". Like him (and the Primaris) or not, but i really get triggered by this (or similar) statements over and over again Well by taking the Emperor's sword, he claimed power he had no right to. Throughout history the sword has always been more than a weapon, it is something personal to a Warrior, a symbol of power and rulership and nobody would've dared taking it away from its rightful owner, in some cases even if he was dead. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_Roujakis Posted May 30, 2017 Share Posted May 30, 2017 [...]If the G-Man continues his installation as New Emperor, [...] There it is again. Rowboat is not acting as Emperor, he is Lord Commander and one of the High Lords of Terra. The man is "just doing his job". Like him (and the Primaris) or not, but i really get triggered by this (or similar) statements over and over again Well by taking the Emperor's sword, he claimed power he had no right to. Throughout history the sword has always been more than a weapon, it is something personal to a Warrior, a symbol of power and rulership and nobody would've dared taking it away from its rightful owner, in some cases even if he was dead. Funnily enough, the Burning Blade isn't regarded by the Emperor nor by the Custodes as an important weapon aside for the Mechanicus that does see it as a lost relic technology... the intricate technology that it has that causes it to immolate has been lost for quite a long time... but it seems to have hearken it's design from a time before the Age of Strife... Still... to normal humans, and even some Astartes Chapter, claiming the Burning Blade may be seem as an act of declaring himself as Emperor... but the Custodes and the Sisters of Silence probably saw it as a child picking up his daddy's sword just to try and prove to everyone that he's a man now... Their probable reaction is: "It's not the armor and the weapons son... nor the muscles and the special organs... it's the man underneath..." Brother Christopher, BitsHammer and TheOneTrueZon 3 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SWORD BROTHER RYAN Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 My response to CM Furious' question, I see the Primarus procedure being used on the hardest hit Crusades to make SOME, not ALL of them tougher. I do not see any Crusades taking Primarus from Mars itself. But, IF they did, these Primarus would be treated like Neophytes and be paired with an Initiate to learn of their new Chapter, their practices, and a part of me kind of likes the idea of a Primarus serving an Initiate when not in combat. I don't like the lack of CCW as of now, but I'm coming around to the new Interceptor models. I can't put my finger on it, but a part of me is saying, "They may be worth it..." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sete Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Let's see of Black Templars will remain independent of the codex Astarte's rules with the Primaris Marines. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Acebaur Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 I think that they will be shunned, at least in my own head cannon. (I really think GW is going to leave it open ended for the players to decide) This is because RG is messing with the Emperor's work and Sigismund already shunned him once for that which lead the BT to where they are today. I think if anything some of our best warriors might take the upgrade, but having whole new primaris squads from Mars doesn't seem right to me. They are basically neophytes but instead of having to earn their power armor they are just gifted it. Brother Christopher 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The fluff leak basically states that we see RGs teachings as an insult to Dorn, and we've got thousands of troops. Don't want or need Primaris Alpha Legion infiltrators. But all the money you saved not buying new shinys will buy you more BT sprues and LRCs TO DROWN YOUR ENEMIES IN RIGHTEOUS CERAMITE ENCASED HATED. bolvar 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Christopher Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 But all the money you saved not buying new shinys will buy you more BT sprues and LRCs TO DROWN YOUR ENEMIES IN RIGHTEOUS CERAMITE ENCASED HATED. This is actually something I find the most important with the release of the New Marines. In my opinion, it is crucial to weather this critical period when we are bombarded with new releases, which we perceive as cool and necessary at the moment, but which prove to be rather generic in their nature. I am sure GW will release something more "tasteful" for us along the way. We just need to wait patiently for that to happen and perhaps then spend some money on that stuff. I think (or try to convince myself) that there's no need for the Primaris in my force. With all my distrust of GW's ability to write acceptable (not to mention good) backstory, I still remain hopeful that they'll develop our radicalism and create an story arc in which we stand against Guilliman, maybe together with the Church or something, and not be too eager about the mutant Marines showing up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 (edited) I kind of felt they were going that way, with their statement that not all Chapters will accept Primaris, and now with the blurb backing up old fluff that we really don't like RG. But their Primaris image with BT livery threw me off. It's like, RG shows up with a fancy BT Primaris on the Eternal Crusader... RG: "Hai guise, check this new brotein shake out. He slices, he dices, he burns witches in new and exciting ways!" Sword Bro: "I notified the High Marshall but he's not very keen; says we've already got one". *slams door* Edited May 31, 2017 by d3m01iti0n Othniel's Blade and Marshal_Roujakis 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brother Christopher Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 Monthy Python and the Black Templars go together like bread and butter. We'd better get our Holy Hand Grande Orb back! The thing I'm most worried about is that against fluff, Primaris will be added to our Chapter for the sake of sales, as GW won't want to limit their sales options for the sake of maintaining the narrative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
d3m01iti0n Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 KNIGHTS WHO SAY "NOPE": Any <Primaris> within 6" of Knights is forced to take a Shrubbery Test. If they do not roll a 6, remove unit from play. KhorneHunter57x, TheOneTrueZon, Ebon Hand and 3 others 6 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal Wolfhart Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 As long as the addition of Primaris remains on a per crusade basis so the choice isn't (in official canon at least) taken from our marshals I'm fine. Many of us will include Primaris sooner or later, many won't. Like Centurions or Thunderfire Cannons. At some future point we will probably not take special notice of them. Like Centurions or Thunderfire Cannons. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_Roujakis Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 The difference though is that Thunderfire Cannons and Centurions feel very Imperial Fist like... some here don't like their models, but most agree that they look the part of siege warfare which IF does a lot... and since BTs are Sons of Dorn, there's space in canon to add TFC and Centurions... Primaris on the other hand are purely Guilliman's and Crawl's... even if they Dorn Geneseed, their basis is Guilliman... their looks are resplendently Guilliman... their combat capacity are restrictive to Guilliman... even in their BT livery they say "I am a Guiilli-man...", which to a lot of the Chapters that laugh at Guilliman's face (Space Wolves, Templars and Space Wolves :p ) they just became the poster boys of all the Guilli-hate... imho, when a Primaris Captain wearing the colors of the Ultramarines and an envoy from Mars saying to the Knights that there is now technology to "Transform you into this!", the Primaris Captain was mistaken as an Ultramarine Librarian that has learned the psychic power similar to the one Magnus used to transform himself into a giant and the envoys words were mistaken as a method to transform the Templars into psykers, zeal overtook them and they were told to "Get off my ship before I launch a Crusade against Mars..." d3m01iti0n 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_von_Speer Posted May 31, 2017 Author Share Posted May 31, 2017 Well, I can say, that the latest BT fluff leak made me significantly more optimistic Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Castellan Doren Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 High Marshall looks up a girlyman, "are they of Dorn's gene seed?" Girlyman,"yes they are." Helbrect looks them over, motions to Grimaldus, "do you see zealotry in their eyes?" Grimaldus: they are sons of Dorn, but they do not burn with zeal." Helbrect looks to girlyman, "deliver them to Rynn's world for me. I hear the Crimson Fists could use the support." "However, leave the primaris equipment. I'm certain we can make proper use of the enhancements on the truly zealous." Kastor Krieg 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lysere Posted May 31, 2017 Share Posted May 31, 2017 While I might pick up the starter box and so get the whole starting array of primaris marines, I only plan on using the characters with any sort of frequency. The lieutenants have a nice bonus and can take melee weapons (yeah one will be stuck with a bolter but he can be a meat shield for the other) and the captain is mostly melee. The ancient will be nice because I don't have any banners built right now but I'm going to have to get to work on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Marshal_von_Speer Posted June 2, 2017 Author Share Posted June 2, 2017 (edited) Looks like the Primaris Crusade'll actually be a thing... Found here: https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/02/new-warhammer-40000-a-vision-of-the-far-future-june2gw-homepage-post-4/ Edited June 2, 2017 by Marshal_von_Speer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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