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Slaaneshi Daemons in 8th

Slaanesh Daemons Daemonettes 8th

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The guy with the 4 hive tyrants at least was a good sport about it.  He agreed with me that the tournament shouldnt have let supreme detachements and he was ya the 4 tyrants is pretty stupid and silly.  I am sure that when the Tyranid book drops those things are going to get a much needed change.



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The Tyranid book already dropped quite some time ago tho. That's why they're so strong. ^^


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Oh.  I really havent been paying attention much to the codex releases then.  That explains why those things are so mean.  I been waiting for the ork one to hopefully bring back a friend to the game.  He said he would decide when the ork one came.  I picked up the Demons when they came out.  Then of course I hear the plastic sisters and I was well my gee.  I havent touched them since 7th and I didnt like the disjointed index they got. 



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That's like the burglar agreeing that the Police needs to do more to stop him instead of not being a thieving git laugh.png

 

My plans for my Daemons has always been in combination with my CSM, for the most part. I think that as a pure force Slaanesh Daemon is a bit too short of long ranged firepower so you need to do all you can to work around that. In your case I think the super squad might have been a mistake; too easy to see what you wanted to do and respond accordingly. There's enough armies out there that are fast, mobile and/or shooty enough in various ways to handle that.

 

The 20+ squad size thing feels like a red herring to me. Given you need to take more than 20 to weather inevitable losses and keep the bonus it's pricey, cumbersome and an obvious target as mentioned confused.gif Not that you can do a great deal against the flowing Gandalf beard lists, but it could help against others so worth consideration?


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I agree with you Warriorfish. It was basically what I had and was able to get painted up in time.

I am going to be adding 10 more demonettes a third prince, keeper of secrets, and three hellflayer chariots. Going to break the demonettes into 6 squads. Break the seekers into 3 units. When I get home after work. I will post the 2k list I want to try for May. All I need to get for it is 10 more demonettes, a prince and a hellflayer.

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This is what I came up with.  Not sure if having 3 relics is necessary though.  This is includes all the models I own expect the Masque.  I need to get 1 demon prince, and 2 more chariots though.
 
Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Daemons) 
 
 
HQ 
 
Daemon Prince of Chaos: Hellforged sword, The Mark of Excess, Wings
. Slaanesh: Delightful Agonies
 
Daemon Prince of Chaos: Hellforged sword, The Forbidden Gem, Wings
. Slaanesh: Hysterical Frenzy
 
Keeper of Secrets: Cacophonic Choir, Celerity of Slaanesh, Pavane of Slaanesh, Soulstealer, Warlord
 
Troops 
 
Daemonettes 10x
 
Daemonettes 10x
 
Daemonettes 10x
 
 
Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Daemons)
 
HQ
 
Daemon Prince of Chaos: Hellforged sword, Slaanesh, Wings
 
Herald of Slaanesh: Hysterical Frenzy, Ravaging claws
 
Herald of Slaanesh: Delightful Agonies, Ravaging claws
 
Troops 
 
Daemonettes 10x
 
Daemonettes 10x
 
Daemonettes 10x
 
Outrider Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Daemons) 
 
HQ 
 
Herald of Slaanesh on Seeker Chariot: Lashes of Torment, Symphony of Pain
 
+ Fast Attack +
 
Hellflayer 
 
Hellflayer 
 
Hellflayer 
 
Seekers x5
 
Seekers x5
 
Seekers x5


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I think this is looking better. 8th is very much a game of numbers from all I've experienced, so dividing squads up gives you more options and your opponent more decisions. Also means you can garner minor bonuses such as extra Alluresses for that attack tongue.png Keeping the Daemonettes cheap helps, and also reduces their threat. Given they they're mostly going to be doing some screening/chaff work that helps a lot.

 

It's a bit like how I use Guardsmen squads - everyone knows they're not going to be doing much killing, but they'll need dealing with all the same and if left alone can cause some mischief. While Daemonettes will find it harder to do, they'll also do a lot more killing when they do so the principle should be largely the same. With the bonus to Command Points, taking an extra Relic is now worth considering I think as the right one can make more than the equivalent difference on CPs. Let us know how the list performs thumbsup.gif


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So in the interests of generating discussion and giving people ideas, I spent far too long writing up nine (!) fluff pieces for some Keeper of Secrets ideas I had based on the Seven Deadly Sins, plus the two apocryphal sins that are usually forgotten in modern Christian teachings. Incidentally this also covers the seven colours of the rainbow plus black and white, which makes for handy colour coding.

 

Thus, I give you the Nine Lords of Sin. Or at least, ideas for them.

 

Fluff (warning, slightly graphic in places!):

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Model ideas:

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First time posting here but would appreciate some feedback on my list. Do you think I need to put a DP in there?

Thanks in advance

++ Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Daemons) [44 PL, 862pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Chaos Allegiance: Slaanesh

+ HQ +

Herald of Slaanesh [4 PL, 66pts]: Ravaging claws, Symphony of Pain

Keeper of Secrets [12 PL, 223pts]: Celerity of Slaanesh, Delightful Agonies, Phantasmagoria, Soulstealer, Warlord

The Masque of Slaanesh [4 PL, 78pts]

+ Troops +

Daemonettes [8 PL, 165pts]: Alluress, 19x Daemonette, Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos

Daemonettes [8 PL, 165pts]: Alluress, 19x Daemonette, Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos

Daemonettes [8 PL, 165pts]: Alluress, 19x Daemonette, Daemonic Icon, Instrument of Chaos

++ Outrider Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Daemons) [58 PL, 1122pts] ++

+ No Force Org Slot +

Chaos Allegiance: Slaanesh

Use Beta Rules

+ HQ +

Herald of Slaanesh on Seeker Chariot [6 PL, 116pts]: Delightful Agonies

Herald of Slaanesh on Steed [4 PL, 82pts]: Symphony of Pain

+ Fast Attack +

Hellflayer [5 PL, 93pts]

Hellflayer [5 PL, 93pts]

Hellflayer [5 PL, 93pts]

Seekers [11 PL, 215pts]: Daemonic Icon, Heartseeker, Instrument of Chaos, 9x Seeker

Seekers [11 PL, 215pts]: Daemonic Icon, Heartseeker, Instrument of Chaos, 9x Seeker

Seekers [11 PL, 215pts]: Daemonic Icon, Heartseeker, Instrument of Chaos, 9x Seeker

++ Total: [102 PL, 1984pts] ++

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This is what I came up with.  Not sure if having 3 relics is necessary though.  This is includes all the models I own expect the Masque.  I need to get 1 demon prince, and 2 more chariots though.
 
Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Daemons) 
 
 
HQ 
 
Daemon Prince of Chaos: Hellforged sword, The Mark of Excess, Wings
. Slaanesh: Delightful Agonies
 
Daemon Prince of Chaos: Hellforged sword, The Forbidden Gem, Wings
. Slaanesh: Hysterical Frenzy
 
Keeper of Secrets: Cacophonic Choir, Celerity of Slaanesh, Pavane of Slaanesh, Soulstealer, Warlord
 
Troops 
 
Daemonettes 10x
 
Daemonettes 10x
 
Daemonettes 10x
 
 
Battalion Detachment +5CP (Chaos - Daemons)
 
HQ
 
Daemon Prince of Chaos: Hellforged sword, Slaanesh, Wings
 
Herald of Slaanesh: Hysterical Frenzy, Ravaging claws
 
Herald of Slaanesh: Delightful Agonies, Ravaging claws
 
Troops 
 
Daemonettes 10x
 
Daemonettes 10x
 
Daemonettes 10x
 
Outrider Detachment +1CP (Chaos - Daemons) 
 
HQ 
 
Herald of Slaanesh on Seeker Chariot: Lashes of Torment, Symphony of Pain
 
+ Fast Attack +
 
Hellflayer 
 
Hellflayer 
 
Hellflayer 
 
Seekers x5
 
Seekers x5
 
Seekers x5

 

 

 

So my only problem with this list is that it has a lack of heralds and a masque. I find the masque to be very helpful and I include her in pretty much all of my lists. The lack of heralds will leave your units without the +1 strength buff, as the Daemon Princes don't really provide that. I would probably cut down on one DP and add in a herald on steed to run with the seekers and fill in other stuff as needed for the points gap. 


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I havent had a chance to try this one out.  Waiting on ebay for the last chariots.  Unfortunately the seller I ordered from.  Went MIA I guess.  I do have the masque though.  Thought I give this a few games first.  I do see maybe adding more heralds in though.



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Hi guys, this summer one of my hobby goals is to run an army with a Slaanesh component in a competitive environment, and thus wanted to hear your opinion on a couple of subjects.

First, what Slaaneshi units are you finding the best? I like a lot how fiends look on paper, but I've heard people praise seekers... Are they so good as alpha strike units? Can't really see them doing so well.

Second, how are you running daemonettes? Big blocks deep striking or small ones running up the board? I think 30 girls getting a charge from DS with all their buffs up can wreck face, as Slaanesh has so many buffs going for them but it a) is a waste of our loci B) is very unreliable, as we only have instrument and command re-roll to improve our chances of making it c) can't happen until turn 2 and d) will get blasted off the board next turn. On the other hand MSU units don't hit as hard but gives more targets, uses the loci, doesn't suffer as much from morale and won't look as threatening, thus soaking less firepower.

Third, in case of 10 girl units, is the icon worth it? It is 15 points which isn't precisely cheap, and it could scale quickly when taking multiple units.

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I think Seekers and Hellflayers is the best you can get when running the shemales from hell.

Seekers have a 14" move, +1" advance and charge for Instrument. This means you can charge everything between 19" and 34" (average 26,5") with a reroll as long as you are in range of a Slaanesh Daemon character with locus.

Hellflayer are not as fast, but still able to crush into enemy lines turn 1. The high strenght attacks are pretty solid.

 

But to be honest I havent had a lot of games with Slaanesh in 8th edition and I am not a tournament player. Maybe what works for me is total rubish for you...



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Seekers are fast, I can't deny it, but I don't see them as being a powerhouse for an army. Maybe a couple of units to tie up enemy shooters, but even at that they're not optimal because of the lack of the fly keyword and no other way to go over screens.
As for hellflsyers I haven't tried them out, but aren't heralds on seeker chariot better? They are psykers, characters with less than 10 wounds and similar damage output.

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I think Seekers and Hellflayers is the best you can get when running the shemales from hell.
Seekers have a 14" move, +1" advance and charge for Instrument. This means you can charge everything between 19" and 34" (average 26,5") with a reroll as long as you are in range of a Slaanesh Daemon character with locus.
Hellflayer are not as fast, but still able to crush into enemy lines turn 1. The high strenght attacks are pretty solid.
 
But to be honest I havent had a lot of games with Slaanesh in 8th edition and I am not a tournament player. Maybe what works for me is total rubish for you...

don't forget to included the Masque of Slaanesh. The -1 to hit in the fight phase can make all the difference. Also, the +1 to strength from the heralds makes the army significantly better.

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Especially with the daemonette keywords now on those seeker. 

 

Does someone got the files to mount an Hellflayer ? i bought the Start collecting Slaanesh daemon but i cant find it. 


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I lucked out and had a chariot box that I got as a christmas gift a few years back.  Ya the start collecting only has 1 base for the exalted and instructions.  I ordered more bases to solve that issue.  I know that you can send a request to the GW site.  I heard of people getting sent a pdf of the instructions that will show you how to build all 3.



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You can find it online as well, I sent you a PM







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