LuisMars Posted June 9, 2017 Author Share Posted June 9, 2017 Force Staves or Halberds? Looking at your mathhammer, they perform equal, but does it account for armor saves? If so, then Force Staves seem like the number one choice for general purpose stuff since they also add 1 to the invuln save if in melee. The only thing I calculated is the average number of wounds a model can do when it attacks. So yes, Staves over Halberds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the jeske Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 dont have the rules on me, but do staffs stack with storm shields ? Captain Coolpants 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 dont have the rules on me, but do staffs stack with storm shields ?Good point! Librarians can take Shields now lol Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Yup and they stack. Â SM GK Libbies can have 2++ in CC now. ;) Â Draigo must have left a few SS laying around in a dusty corner in the Librarium. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 I wouldn't go nuts modelling storm shields onto your librarians though, I don't think they'll make the cut into the codex. Valerian 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Captain Coolpants Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Agreed. It'll never stay in our own dex (if we get our own dex that is). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Confused Word Bearer Posted June 9, 2017 Share Posted June 9, 2017 Â Force Staves or Halberds? Looking at your mathhammer, they perform equal, but does it account for armor saves? If so, then Force Staves seem like the number one choice for general purpose stuff since they also add 1 to the invuln save if in melee. Â The only thing I calculated is the average number of wounds a model can do when it attacks. So yes, Staves over Halberds.Well, dang, I'd thought that Halberds would do slightly better than Staves because of their AP-2, but apparently not? Huh. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisMars Posted June 12, 2017 Author Share Posted June 12, 2017 I finally got an idea about how to measure the defense efficiency, simply take the average point loss per round. You can check the melee results here. Â In order to combine all the information for an entry and compare all the models you have to do: (wounds_per_point) / (points_lost). I'll make a proper table for it soon. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Enxos Posted June 12, 2017 Share Posted June 12, 2017 Doing what needs to be done. This is really great and thank you! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 I've added a link to this thread in the Tactical section of the Resources thread that is pinned to the top of this forum. Â Well done, LuisMars - appreciate your effort here. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ticaliation Posted June 14, 2017 Share Posted June 14, 2017 Â I did some ranged weapon calculations, you can find them here. Â Â buddy I tried some checks on calculations and correct me if I am wrong..but I think there is a mistake for Psycannons no? you omitted Psycannons -1AP no? I think you considered 4 guys shooting. for example vs Terminator .....so Psycanonn 16shots >> halved for hitting on 4+ (-1BS for moving right?) >> then multiplied 2/3 (wounding on 3+) which is 5.3333 wounds before armor saves. and then I think you put *1/6 for terminator armous save, not *1/3. I checked the same logic for Stormbolters and Psilencers and I got the same results as you here LuisMars 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisMars Posted June 15, 2017 Author Share Posted June 15, 2017 Thanks for finding a mistake! I think is fixed. It was picking the wrong save, it has to pick the maximum value in terms of attributes or the minimum value in terms of %. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted June 19, 2017 Share Posted June 19, 2017 How would 20 point Fallen (Combi Bolter, BP and Power Swords) match up to 21 point Strikes? Â Shooting would be similar, with Fallen having Pistols they could use when locked in CC (and reroll 1's if stationary). Â The Strikes Nemesis Force Swords have Dd3, but the Fallen get an extra Attack. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Waking Dreamer Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 (edited) When you got t time could you update the mathhammer for NDKGMs? Â 1. Great Sword, Dual Dreadfists and Great Hammer w/ WS2+. 2. Heavy Psycannons and Gatling Psilencers w/ BS2+. 3. Heavy Psycannons and Gatling Psilencers w/ S+1 and AP-1. Edited August 5, 2017 by Waking Dreamer Valerian 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisMars Posted August 5, 2017 Author Share Posted August 5, 2017 I will update it soon! Waking Dreamer and Captain Coolpants 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adeptus Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 Are the NDK GMs Heavy Support choices or HQ choices? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gentlemanloser Posted August 5, 2017 Share Posted August 5, 2017 HQ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ninjoe42 Posted August 6, 2017 Share Posted August 6, 2017 Can I just ask, what does % Model Killed actually measure? Chance of killing that particular model? Or chance of inflicting a wound? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Valerian Posted August 20, 2017 Share Posted August 20, 2017 Luis, can you explain what your spreadsheet actually tells us? Â For example, what does it mean in the first row for Grey Knight with Nemesis Force Sword against a Space Marine? Â It has as results 33.33% model killed, and 0.0175 wounds per point, but what does that mean, and how did you arrive at the numbers? Â Does it mean that It takes three Grey Knights attacking at the same time, on average, to kill a single enemy Space Marine? Â Â I just need a better breakdown of how to "read" the information. Â Thanks, Â V Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisMars Posted August 20, 2017 Author Share Posted August 20, 2017 I'm working on a more easy to read version (I was back from vacation a few days ago)."% model killed" is the average percentage of a model being killed using all the attacks from a model. If it says 33.33% you'll need 3 of said model to kill the defender. If it's over 100% it means overkill on average. In math: average wounds caused / total wounds. Â "points per wound" is just the average wounds caused by all the attacks divided by the cost of the attacker model. Enxos 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swordofmandulis Posted August 21, 2017 Share Posted August 21, 2017 (edited) Awesome thanks for this. Edited August 21, 2017 by swordofmandulis Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vash5800 Posted August 23, 2017 Share Posted August 23, 2017 How come this is outdated now? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisMars Posted September 10, 2017 Author Share Posted September 10, 2017 Updated. Â I hope you like it. Enxos 1 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LuisMars Posted September 14, 2017 Author Share Posted September 14, 2017 Another update, read the first post for more info. Captain Coolpants and Enxos 2 Back to top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ticaliation Posted September 22, 2017 Share Posted September 22, 2017 Thx LuisMars, but I dont know if that is only me.. but I have somehow having dificulties understanding what does the tables mean, also not sure how to navigate through them - e.g. how to find combination of unit/gear etc that I need? Thx for help Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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