Death Guard cant have Terminators anymore? :O

[dubHammer]

So, things have leaked to no-ones surprise... I got to read the rules in the new Chaos dex, and went strait for the Death Guard section. In the small fluff section it says: "Death Guard armies are built around cores of ultra-resilient infantry, Plague Marines and befouled Terminators trudging forwards amidst the drone of a billion plague flies"

 

Then in the rules it says: "The Heretic Astartes datasheets listed to the right can be from the Death Guard Legion. Those that have the <LEGION> (Terminators does...) keyword on their datasheet can replace it in all instances with DEATH GUARD. If a Heretic Astartes unit does not appear in the list to the right, it cannot have the DEATH GUARD Faction keyword."

 

Then I look at the list that says:

 

Plague Marines
Poxwalkers

Chaos Cultists

Possessed

Helbrute

 

Bloat-drone

Rhino

Spawn

Predators

Land Raider

 

 

NO TERMIES?!!??!?!

 

I have spent all of May converting Putrid blightkings into 5 termies that I´m so exited about, and now it says they cant have em? Even though the fluff specificaly says so? :/

 

Something I´m missing here?

[Marshal Loss]

They're getting a unique Terminator unit of their own in the near future. The current theory is that this unique unit will replace normal Terminators in their rules, in the same way that Scarab Occult replace normal Terminators in the Thousand Sons 8th ed list.

 

Edited June 5, 2017 by Marshal Loss

[Plaguecaster]

You can still take Nurgle terminators though they just they won't count as part of the death guard keyword for certain characters abilities, hopefully the death guard faction book shouldn't be too far away with all the new Death Guard stuff

[Marshal Loss]

You can still take Nurgle terminators though they just they won't count as part of the death guard keyword for certain characters abilities, hopefully the death guard faction book shouldn't be too far away with all the new Death Guard stuff

 

I don't know how much longer I can wait. The first trailer was what, in March? I need my DG goodness, and I need it now. :(

[DeadFingers]

I don't know how much longer I can wait. The first trailer was what, in March? I need my DG goodness, and I need it now.

 

Let us pray to Urfather for a July release.

[Ishagu]

What's with all these limitations placed on Chaos? Are other Legions affected?

 

I was under the impression any unit can be assigned a Legion/Chapter keyword as is the case with the Loyalist Marines??

[Bluthusten]

July is the 7th mounth, so i think well get a july release:D

[Zeratil]

What's with all these limitations placed on Chaos? Are other Legions affected?

 

I was under the impression any unit can be assigned a Legion/Chapter keyword as is the case with the Loyalist Marines??

 Basically you can't replace the <Legion> keyword on certain units with either <Thousand Sons> or <Death Guard>. TS and DG both have a restricted army list if you want to use <Death Guard> or <Thousand Sons> as your Faction. Currently it makes  little difference*, because there is no benefit that I can see to using <TS> or <DG>  over <Heretic Astartes>. Naturally this will change as time goes on and we get more complex and specific rules in codexes. Presumably there will be new detachments or abilities that require your faction keyword to be <TS>, <DG> etc.

 

 From what I've seen there's nothing to stop you having <Death Guard> Plague Marines as your troops choices but still having Chaos or Heretic Astartes as your keyword for forming a battleforged army, although I've only glanced at the books in store. Any drawbacks to this will come later when I expect, just like AoS, we will get codexes that give you benefits for using more specialised keywords and it will be a unit choice vs extra benefits choice of army creation.

*Although as TeutonicAvenger noted there are various abilities that target specific keywords which is more restrictive.

 

[Excessus]

What's with all these limitations placed on Chaos? Are other Legions affected?

 

I was under the impression any unit can be assigned a Legion/Chapter keyword as is the case with the Loyalist Marines??

 

Imho, it's likely that the four god-legions get limitations for their legions. Nurgle terminators are likely to be released, and I think both WE and EC termies would be both cool and likely too. When the codex is released it will shed more light on these things though.

 

However, i think it's limited to the god-specific legions and their much more "destroyed" legion compilation. The non-god specific legions would usually have a more warband-y feel to them, even with their different traits and tactics. But heck, you can still take termies in a Nurgle army and have that as your common keyword...until they get their own unit.

[hopkins]

 

I have spent all of May converting Putrid blightkings into 5 termies that I´m so exited about, and now it says they cant have em? Even though the fluff specificaly says so? :/

 

 

 

I'm in the same boat, maybe use them as possessed in the meantime?

[Heliomanes]

You can still use them in the same detachments as your death guard, they just won't get bonuses for being death guard units. Still frustrating, I know, but at least you get to use your models.

IE: all units have to have at least one keyword in common, like, say, "chaos".

You can pick Abaddon, which is Black Legion
Black Legion Plague marines will be elites, but gain the bonuses from the Black Legion characters
Death Guard Plague marines will be troops, and do not gain bonuses from Abby - but they can gain bonuses from Death Guard characters.

So you get to pick and mix a lot, but you get rewarded for staying mostly within subfactions and legions by gaining buff rules from characters and the likes.

Edited June 6, 2017 by Heliomanes

[Zeratil]

  I do think that whenever this 40k feedback website of theirs comes about I'll suggest that some of these are a little too restrictive unless it gets changed in the meantime. I feel a better solution would be to widen the army lists, but perhaps impose a cost. I've never seen why in the lore, for example, Thousand Sons don't have Rubricae performing other roles such as Havoks. I would love an option in the new matched play system where you buy an aspiring sorceror instead of a sarge and then buy 4 havoks and some sort of 'mark of the rubricae' item. Kind of like a mark. This gives them -1 movement, All is Dust and Favoured of Tzeentch for X points. If you buy the upgrade then you have them be <Thousand Sons>, if you don't then you can't. Of course some things like possessed or Oblits might not fit into this, but I feel that Havoks and even Raptors and Bikers would, even if they're rare in the lore. After all the system is supposed to be about flexibility and coolness. I'm sure much of this argument would transfer to Death Guard as well albeit with different options.

[PureH]

What's with all these limitations placed on Chaos? Are other Legions affected?

 

I was under the impression any unit can be assigned a Legion/Chapter keyword as is the case with the Loyalist Marines??

That isn't the case at all for loyalist marines. Its the same as chaos. only certain units can have the Space wolves/blood angles/dark angles/deathwatch/grey knights key words. Such as Sace wolves cant use normal bikers or contemptor dreadnoughts ,Grey knights cant use primaris marines and neither can Deathwatch. (there are more constrictions on what they can use)

Edited June 7, 2017 by PureH

[TempestBlade]

I feel your pain. I'm painting some Death Guard bikers that won't be legal

[PureH]

I feel your pain. I'm painting some Death Guard bikers that won't be legal Also I hope when Terminators get added that the add havocs too. I want to add my squads of autocannons and lascannons havocs and get the reroll 1s to hit from being close to a DG lord. I could just add them in a DG detachment since they have the chaos keyword but then they don't get any bonuses or get disgusting resilient either. Kindof lame since the Traitor Legion 6 months ago made DG havocs badass with relentless.

You can still use them in your armys.. just they cant have the death guard key word. just say there nurgle bikers with a different key word. Also I doubt havocs well get added, mainly because they aren't as well known as terminators.

[Impact1]

I'm also in a similar position.

 

I already have more the 30 of the older metal and FW  Death Guard.

 

I'm chopping up the new OVERSIZED plastic.The legs and chest plates, and some heads are  are used to build termies. The rest of the parts will be used to buld characters. I've been combining these left over parts with MkIII plasatic.

 

I've built  10 termies using Blight King chest and Tartaros bodies, and  parts from the new  Death Guard minis. But now I'll have to wait to arm them.

 

https://www.flickr.com/photos/73719520@N00/35596237775/in/dateposted-public/

[Kol Saresk]

https://www.warhammer-community.com/2017/06/25/new-primaris-space-marines-and-death-guard-announced/

[1000 Sons]

Correct me if I am wrong, but if you play a death guard or Ksons army and you take some thing that is not on their list, it is no longer a death guard or Ksons army, meaning rubrics and plague marines are no longer troops but now elites.  You also are not able to choose the units in the sections of those armies in the index eg. Ahriman,  typhus, lord of contagion.

 

Did read, or get this explained to me incorrectly ?

[adreal]

If your plague marines have the death guard legion keyword, they are troops, if your plague marines have the word bearers legion keyword, then those plague marines are elites.

 

You can even have death guard plague marines and word bearer plague marines in the same army

[Scammel]

It's been explained incorrectly. There is no 'Sons army' per se, merely a list of units that can have the Sons keyword, which can be freely mixed and matched with other units with different legion keywords. The only 'restriction' is that Sons will not benefit from the aura of a Black Legion Chaos Lord, for example. Rubrics and Plagues can both be troops in the very same army.

[Sception]

heck, plagues can be troops & elites in the same army too, so long as the troop ones are of the Death Guard legion and the elite ones are from some other legion or renegade chapter.

[Commissar K.]

Exactly as above, there will be an equivelant of Chaos Terminators for the Death Guard. Likely name: Plague Terminators.
What I guess we see in the above picture is one of these models holding a Blightlauncher (forgot the name).

What makes them different is that like Poxwalkers they will not have the <Mark of Chaos> or <Legion> Keywords but most certainly will come with Death Guard and Nurgle Keywords. The same can be expected for semi-logical other designs.

I also wouldn't be suprised to see a Nurglesque Razorback in the same sence, which could explain as to why Death Guard cannot have a Vindicator. Again one with a twinlinked Blightlauncher would make sence as it also would remove one of the tactical weaknesses of Death Guard. That little bit added speed could go a long way and I think a new Vechicle is not out of the question for the simple reason that Primaris will get one hover-tank aswell.

[Plaguecaster]

Seems pretty likely a new vehicle is in the way so chances are it will be a vindicator style one which will explain why the death guard keyword cant be given to them

That terminator's gun looks far more similar to the bloat drones plaguespitter than the plague marine blight launcher so it'll probably be one of those as a flamer weapon for the squad

Edited June 29, 2017 by Plaguecaster

[Commissar K.]

Ah yeah all are legit options! Exclusive plague weapons it is.

[hopkins]

plague everything please